I've decided to give up on the hop
As some of you might know, I've spent a good deal of time trying to educate G3rain1 and Andy about the whole abortion issue. And, after countless posts of repeating the same things to those two (I'm seriously starting to doubt G3rain1's coherence), I've decided to just abandon the whole idea of debating with those two. G3rain1 just can't understand common sense, and Andy likes to boast that he's never had sex and therefore knows more than others. Their arguments consist of calling me immoral, trying to act clever with pointless comparisons that make no sense, and not understanding what words like "born" and "life" mean. It will take something special to get me back in that thread with those two fools.
The sad thing is that I'm sure both of them are older than me. This means that they've had to live longer with these close-minded ideas that they think are right. I imagine neither of them have a great deal to live for, and will probably be this way the rest of their days.