Swings and Roundabouts

Hissing-Sid · 11-29-2003, 08:37 AM

James Cameron is probably quite pissed off right now.

He went to all the trouble of dreaming up a whole life-cycle for the aliens after Ridley Scott had bottled out of showing the public his version of the same thing 25 years earlier.

So, now we have a lone alien creating an egg, thus rendering the Queen partially redundant, at least.

Moving on to ALIENS, I've always thought that it was one of the biggest bits of "movie-luck" ever that one of first, if not THE first egg to hatch was a Queen egg, allowing the bug hive to start.

Well, it occurs to me that Scotts reworked life-cycle could actually help Cameron in that respect.

Could it be that a bug is only capable of growing a QUEEN egg?

That way, the bug which zaps Russ Jorden wakes up a week away from the Derelict, looks around, decides it's on its own and then does the same as the bug on the Nostromo.
It captures/kills a couple of people. Cocoons them up and waits for a Queen egg to grow.
It then goes out and grabs a host for this egg and you're started with a hive.

This also works to explain why the bug in ALIEN went to all the trouble of going after Ripley even though it had just laid an egg on the Nostromo.

It just seems like Scotts "new" idea could actually go a long way to explainingthe coincidence of Camerons Queen actually appearing.

Captain Disrupto · 11-29-2003, 11:54 AM

Well, i recently read something about Alien: DC, which lets me deal with this whole thing in a way I understand.

It seems that although Mr. Scott has restored the film to it's original idea, he prefers the original movie. Not just because of the whole pacing issue, but also because he liked camerons idea, and understands that his single egging alien gets in the way of that.

As for A:2, I always assumed that whatever alien was born was either a queen, or headed back to the Derelict for a queen egg, which it undoubtedly would recognize.

Now, you say

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That way, the bug which zaps Russ Jorden wakes up a week away from the Derelict, looks around, decides it's on its own and then does the same as the bug on the Nostromo.

Well, by that I assume that you mean that the derelict was a week away from the colony. If you think about that, that either means that based on the gestation time, either the alien was born in the rover on the way back, and didn't have to go as far, or was born in the colony, after the jordans were airlifted out. But, considering the radio communications, I wouldn't be surprised if it was born in their little planet buggy.

So, consider this: they sit around trying to contact he colony, and can't. Mrs jordan starts to drive back. After 3 hours or so, the hugger comes off. She's still panicked, still driving. He wakes up a bit later. Family moment. They park, because everything it ok. The kids are releaved.

That's about when his chest explodes.

The alien escapes, and backtracks to the derelict, while the remainder of the family returns to the colony. The alien grows, follows the rovers tracks, finds people, possibly kills a few, then hightails it back to grab a queen egg.

Boom. Hive.

Just my opinion. I'll never really count the A: DC as canon in that respect, since it's a full blown alteration. What if Cameron released Titanic: DC, where it misses the iceburg, Jack gets the girl, the titanic arrives in New York, and then transforms into Staypuff for no reason and eats everyone but Rose, whom he marries? Is that Canon? What if that was his "original state" of the movie?

I accept A:2 SE, because it's an expansion, and doesn't confict with the original. I don't know If I'm gonna accept A:3 DC. It all seems like money grabs.

Daemos · 11-29-2003, 06:08 PM

Nice Sid but how does this theory explain the A3 situation? Are you suggesting that the egg aboard the Sulaco at the start of A3 is actually a metamorph rather than a queen-born egg?

There is also zero-proof that the mutating eggs aboard the Nostromo are gonna be queens.

I don't think it is "movie-luck" that the first Alien to appear in the Colony was actually a Queen. Perhaps during the time of the Nostromo there was a Queen (that we didn't see) and 57 years later, she died so the first Alien was a Queen.

Bum Burster · 11-29-2003, 07:25 PM

It's also possible that the A2 queen already existed by the time of ALIEN, but was kept into stasis inside another room, maybe remaining into hibernation, and was only freed after the seismic events witnessed at the beginning of ALIENS.

Kimarhi Ronso · 11-29-2003, 11:29 PM

In the comic it went down like this.

Russ Jordon was infected.

The LV-426 crew responds to the sos only minutes before the Jordons return. Some of them are also infected.

Jordon burst.

The crew burst.

Aliens use hit and run tactics, dragging the unwilling colonist away.

Security team checks for nest, they too are wiped out.

Colonist lock themselves in a storage room(its the size of a hanger) and are eventually overwhelmed by Aliens.

They queen could have came in any of the host.
Could have been the result of one of the colonist being egged.(heh egged)
The queen already existed(the jockey).

Thats if you want to take the DH prequel for Aliens as fact. It works for me.

Dobermann Dru · 11-30-2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by Captain Disrupto
It seems that although Mr. Scott has restored the film to it's original idea, he prefers the original movie. Not just because of the whole pacing issue, but also because he liked camerons idea, and understands that his single egging alien gets in the way of that.

Could this be shown?

Am very intrigued about that.

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As for A:2, I always assumed that whatever alien was born was either a queen, or headed back to the Derelict for a queen egg, which it undoubtedly would recognize.

To go back to the derelict wouldn't be plausible.

The Jordans had taken a fair time to get out there in the first place, so presumably the colonists had some kind of flying emergency vehicle that would have cut down time dramatically (remember that the dropship sets down on "the landing grid" that would support that idea as well) and the queen would have no idea where it initially came from.

To say Jordan was bursted in the vehicle means that Newt was not only lucky enough to survive the harsh wind conditions, but that Newt had then survived being hunted down by an alien that may have slaughtered entire family and the colonists that would arrive then amnaged to find her and were able to bring the new life along with them wihtout her warning them and plus for some reason going to where the thing would have retreated in any case...

Then there would be the matter that a wheeled vehicle takes so long to get out there, but an alien on foot would take at least so long each way and we know that communications cut off from the colony quick and early enough on to have signified action taking place and prevented any sign of a warning that new creature had been discovered.

I have no problem acepting the egg type of theory. It would fit in with a parasite and to make a queen is just more efficient.

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What if Cameron released Titanic: DC, where it misses the iceburg, Jack gets the girl, the titanic arrives in New York, and then transforms into Staypuff for no reason and eats everyone but Rose, whom he marries? Is that Canon? What if that was his "original state" of the movie?

Would pay to see that.

Captain Disrupto · 11-30-2003, 01:01 PM

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To say Jordan was bursted in the vehicle means that Newt was not only lucky enough to survive the harsh wind conditions, but that Newt had then survived being hunted down by an alien that may have slaughtered entire family and the colonists that would arrive then amnaged to find her and were able to bring the new life along with them wihtout her warning them and plus for some reason going to where the thing would have retreated in any case...

Newt's mother was there. She drives the rover back. Meanwhile the burster has escaped into the landscape, and is growing. It would say put until fully grown, then would either wander back to the derelict (remember, the hugger is probably still concious and feeding info to the embyro while attached, and remember that the rover would leave a trail to follow), or it followed the path to the colony.

Not to mention, I'm sure other people went in, to see what the hell Mrs. Jordan was blithering about, and probably got hugged as well.

How long did they say it took to drive to the derelict?

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so presumably the colonists had some kind of flying emergency vehicle that would have cut down time dramatically (remember that the dropship sets down on "the landing grid" that would support that idea as well)

Not necessarily. They do live on a remote planet. The landing grid would be there regardless of whether they have a flying machine or not.

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Could this be shown?

Am very intrigued about that.

Damn. When I first read it, I was going to post something about it, but then I went to sleep instead. That was a week ago, so now I don't remember where. I'll try to look around.

But I remember it saying that although this is the films original concept, Ridley doesn't like it as much as the original, and he only did it to see what it would be like.

Vulcan Rotary Cannon · 11-30-2003, 02:37 PM

Umm, didn't we already solve this issue?

Warrior born out of a hive, can lay an egg or two, but needs tissue (bodies) for nourisment, as there is no egg sac.

Queens supress the sexual maturity of the workers/warriors/whatever so as to keep the system clean (no cat fights, spreading to fast, too thin, etc.).

Occasionally, workers (or soldier if that's the case) ants/bees/wasps can do this, thus there is no problem.

Captain Disrupto · 11-30-2003, 02:39 PM

I don't remember us solving anything.

The egging to me isn't even part of the series. Hence, my stance on A: DC being non-canon, and a sort of alternate timeline.

SM · 11-30-2003, 05:59 PM

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Umm, didn't we already solve this issue?

I dunno about 'solving', but it has been discussed.

My take has always been (pre-A

C) Brett becomes Queen egg. Dallas bears Queen.

The DC now overrules this, since Dallas too was becoming an egg. However doesn't rule out either Brett or Dallas becoming Queen eggs (or Parker or Lambert too - given the time), and nothing rules out Queen's laying Queen eggs.

If I remember rightly, I changed my thinking to Dallas (since he's a live morph) becomes Queen egg. One host in Hadley's Hope was a live morph at one point to produce the Queen there. Possibly another one for the Queen egg from the start of Alien 3.

There's any number of viable theories for this.

The main problems with the reinstituted coccoon sequence is a makes a liar out of Ripley in the second film with all the talk about not ever seeing Alien hives and their discussions about Queens.

Hissing-Sid · 11-30-2003, 08:30 PM

Just wanted to say, I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I just like to throw a few ideas around, for discussion.

Evenoccured to me to knock together a little fiction about life in HH during that 3 weeks.

Vulcan Rotary Cannon · 11-30-2003, 08:42 PM

I don't think Dallas was morphing, just cocooned. OOU, Scott has said that Dallas was going to be the host.

SM · 11-30-2003, 09:16 PM

Which causes even more problems when we take the last half hour of Aliens into account.

Why didn't Ripley just yank Dallas out of the gunk and get the hell out of dodge, like she did with Newt?

Unlike the novelisation where Dallas had already been impregnated, Dallas hadn't in the film. I don't remember if Ripley had set the self destruct before or after finding Dallas. I think it was before? Maybe it was a time issue.

Captain Disrupto · 11-30-2003, 09:18 PM

Good point SM.

That's why I like to ignore Alien DC as canon, even though it's pretty kickass.

SM · 11-30-2003, 09:23 PM

I still haven't seen the DC, but I've taken egg-morphing as canon ever since I read the Alien novelisation nearly 20 years ago. It's reinclusion in the DC raises issues, but as said, there's viable ways around it.

Mostly.

Desdinova · 12-01-2003, 03:13 AM

All these theories that suggest that the original alien went back to the derelict for more eggs seem to assume that a drone can either magically sense the location of both the derelict and the colony, or notice -and understand the significance of- any tracks the Jordan's vehicle might have left.

Daemos · 12-01-2003, 05:23 AM

Exactly Xenobob.

For me the latest version of the movie is canon. So A1DC > A1, same applies to every other Alien film.

I don't care if the director's had a hand or not in the making of these new cuts and special editions, it's Fox's franchise.

Desdinova · 12-01-2003, 05:36 AM

I view the Alien Director's Cut the same way. I mean, honestly, it's not as if it really contradicts any of the other films. It just adds to the first movie.

I actually really liked that they included this scene. I thought it was an excellent reminder that we really still do not know everything about the alien, and just what it can or cannot do, or how it thinks and interacts with its surroundings.

Daemos · 12-01-2003, 06:00 AM

The real debate will be about A3SE. I see no reason not to embrace it if it explains certain phenomena better. We can certainly use the new material and this is better than the original!

Desdinova · 12-01-2003, 06:47 AM

I'm really looking forward to A3SE, but I seriously doubt very many will consider it canon.

Kimarhi Ronso · 12-01-2003, 12:35 PM

I won't.

But about the Alien finding the eggs. If your an alien wouldn't you kind of figure out that you had to come from somewhere?

Captain Disrupto · 12-01-2003, 02:33 PM

Especially since:

1) Genetic Memory
2) The hugger is still concious

which means: The alien knows it came from an egg, knows how the hive system works, and knows there are more eggs. It also automatically knows exactly what a queen egg looks like, so all it has to do is backtrack to the Derelict. And, since it's a predatory animal, it's not an idiot. it can find it's way.

Dobermann Dru · 12-01-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Vulcan Rotary Cannon

I don't think Dallas was morphing, just cocooned. OOU, Scott has said that Dallas was going to be the host.

But skerret and giger have all been in agreement it was an egg and there would be no point in dallas asking to be killed if some other thing wasn't already growing in that form as well.

Desdinova · 12-01-2003, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Disrupto
And, since it's a predatory animal, it's not an idiot. it can find it's way.

But how is it supposed to know the location of the derelict, exactly?

azimaith · 12-01-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Dobermann Dru
But skerret and giger have all been in agreement it was an egg and there would be no point in dallas asking to be killed if some other thing wasn't already growing in that form as well.

Maybe he was horribly tortured and in incredible pain.

That would give a reason to be asking for death. Skull seemed to have quite a sadistic streak in him.

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Originally posted by xenobob
But how is it supposed to know the location of the derelict, exactly?

Smell?

SM · 12-01-2003, 08:20 PM

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But how is it supposed to know the location of the derelict, exactly?

They home.

As the Cap'n genetic memory might play a part, but I don't think the Alien ever returned to the Derelict personally.

Hissing-Sid · 12-01-2003, 08:44 PM

Indeed.

I recall discussing this with Xeno.

The guy at the start of the ALIENS SE says talks about "the prospectors you sent out last week..."
The implication is, obviously, that the Jorden family have been trundling around for a good few days.
Add to this that nobody had actually spotted the Derelict and it seems logical that it was, indeed, a few days travel from HH.

Apparently, a rescue team used an aircraft to evac Russ Jorden and get him back to the colony.

Given that the bug probably hatched out in at HH and had no idea how to get back to the Derelict, coupled with the fact that it was up to a week away in a crawler, it's doubtful that the bug went and retrieved further eggs from the Derelict.

[edit] Incidentally, the ONE bloody time I want to check something out on the aliens timeline and you've stopped using your sig'!

SM · 12-01-2003, 08:55 PM

AbsoluteAvP's only just come back online but all the URLs have changed.

Home page is time.absoluteavp.com, but none of the connecting pages have the correct URLs.

What did you want to know?

Anyway an airlift back to HH is possible. Also possible is the Alien births itself when it wants to, to best ensure the spread of the species. Coulda been what was happening to Purvis.

Desdinova · 12-02-2003, 12:22 AM

You know, it's also possible that the derelict is less than a week away from the colony, and they just took several days to find it. I doubt they would've found the derelict immediately - they weren't even told what they were looking for. The derelict may have been only a day or so away, or maybe even less than that.

But I still don't believe the first alien ever went back to the derelict, or even could.

Captain Disrupto · 12-02-2003, 12:29 AM

True. The coordinates might have been a little sketchy. Or it might have taken a little while to go around a canyon or something. The alien would just go right over it.

Then again, if they did airlift, then there was probably a few more people who went in. Thus increasing the queen-probability.

11-29-2003, 08:37 AM	#1
Hissing-Sid Ghost of forums past Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I wonder if anybody will ever notice? Posts: 6,434	Swings and Roundabouts James Cameron is probably quite pissed off right now. He went to all the trouble of dreaming up a whole life-cycle for the aliens after Ridley Scott had bottled out of showing the public his version of the same thing 25 years earlier. So, now we have a lone alien creating an egg, thus rendering the Queen partially redundant, at least. Moving on to ALIENS, I've always thought that it was one of the biggest bits of "movie-luck" ever that one of first, if not THE first egg to hatch was a Queen egg, allowing the bug hive to start. Well, it occurs to me that Scotts reworked life-cycle could actually help Cameron in that respect. Could it be that a bug is only capable of growing a QUEEN egg? That way, the bug which zaps Russ Jorden wakes up a week away from the Derelict, looks around, decides it's on its own and then does the same as the bug on the Nostromo. It captures/kills a couple of people. Cocoons them up and waits for a Queen egg to grow. It then goes out and grabs a host for this egg and you're started with a hive. This also works to explain why the bug in ALIEN went to all the trouble of going after Ripley even though it had just laid an egg on the Nostromo. It just seems like Scotts "new" idea could actually go a long way to explainingthe coincidence of Camerons Queen actually appearing.
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11-30-2003, 02:37 PM	#8
Vulcan Rotary Cannon Fire-Deamon of Morgoth Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Pits of Utumno Posts: 1,562	Umm, didn't we already solve this issue? Warrior born out of a hive, can lay an egg or two, but needs tissue (bodies) for nourisment, as there is no egg sac. Queens supress the sexual maturity of the workers/warriors/whatever so as to keep the system clean (no cat fights, spreading to fast, too thin, etc.). Occasionally, workers (or soldier if that's the case) ants/bees/wasps can do this, thus there is no problem.
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11-30-2003, 09:16 PM	#13
SM Network Interface 2037 Epic Poster Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Network Interface 2037, WY Melbourne Posts: 15,284	Which causes even more problems when we take the last half hour of Aliens into account. Why didn't Ripley just yank Dallas out of the gunk and get the hell out of dodge, like she did with Newt? Unlike the novelisation where Dallas had already been impregnated, Dallas hadn't in the film. I don't remember if Ripley had set the self destruct before or after finding Dallas. I think it was before? Maybe it was a time issue.
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12-01-2003, 08:44 PM	#27
Hissing-Sid Ghost of forums past Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I wonder if anybody will ever notice? Posts: 6,434	Indeed. I recall discussing this with Xeno. The guy at the start of the ALIENS SE says talks about "the prospectors you sent out last week..." The implication is, obviously, that the Jorden family have been trundling around for a good few days. Add to this that nobody had actually spotted the Derelict and it seems logical that it was, indeed, a few days travel from HH. Apparently, a rescue team used an aircraft to evac Russ Jorden and get him back to the colony. Given that the bug probably hatched out in at HH and had no idea how to get back to the Derelict, coupled with the fact that it was up to a week away in a crawler, it's doubtful that the bug went and retrieved further eggs from the Derelict. [edit] Incidentally, the ONE bloody time I want to check something out on the aliens timeline and you've stopped using your sig'!
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11-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#3
Daemos GOD OF F*CK Godlike Poster Join Date: May 2001 Location: Judecca Posts: 23,076	Nice Sid but how does this theory explain the A3 situation? Are you suggesting that the egg aboard the Sulaco at the start of A3 is actually a metamorph rather than a queen-born egg? There is also zero-proof that the mutating eggs aboard the Nostromo are gonna be queens. I don't think it is "movie-luck" that the first Alien to appear in the Colony was actually a Queen. Perhaps during the time of the Nostromo there was a Queen (that we didn't see) and 57 years later, she died so the first Alien was a Queen.

11-29-2003, 07:25 PM	#4
Bum Burster Shmup & FFVII addict Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: France Posts: 8,338	It's also possible that the A2 queen already existed by the time of ALIEN, but was kept into stasis inside another room, maybe remaining into hibernation, and was only freed after the seismic events witnessed at the beginning of ALIENS.

11-29-2003, 11:29 PM	#5
Kimarhi Ronso I thought what I'd do was.... Epic Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hooterville, KY, USA Posts: 16,365	In the comic it went down like this. Russ Jordon was infected. The LV-426 crew responds to the sos only minutes before the Jordons return. Some of them are also infected. Jordon burst. The crew burst. Aliens use hit and run tactics, dragging the unwilling colonist away. Security team checks for nest, they too are wiped out. Colonist lock themselves in a storage room(its the size of a hanger) and are eventually overwhelmed by Aliens. They queen could have came in any of the host. Could have been the result of one of the colonist being egged.(heh egged) The queen already existed(the jockey). Thats if you want to take the DH prequel for Aliens as fact. It works for me.

11-30-2003, 02:39 PM	#9
Captain Disrupto Real men wear utilitybelts. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: <<CLASSIFIED>> (for tax reasons...) Posts: 4,653	I don't remember us solving anything. The egging to me isn't even part of the series. Hence, my stance on A: DC being non-canon, and a sort of alternate timeline.

11-30-2003, 08:30 PM	#11
Hissing-Sid Ghost of forums past Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I wonder if anybody will ever notice? Posts: 6,434	Just wanted to say, I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I just like to throw a few ideas around, for discussion. Evenoccured to me to knock together a little fiction about life in HH during that 3 weeks.

11-30-2003, 08:42 PM	#12
Vulcan Rotary Cannon Fire-Deamon of Morgoth Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Pits of Utumno Posts: 1,562	I don't think Dallas was morphing, just cocooned. OOU, Scott has said that Dallas was going to be the host.

11-30-2003, 09:18 PM	#14
Captain Disrupto Real men wear utilitybelts. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: <<CLASSIFIED>> (for tax reasons...) Posts: 4,653	Good point SM. That's why I like to ignore Alien DC as canon, even though it's pretty kickass.

11-30-2003, 09:23 PM	#15
SM Network Interface 2037 Epic Poster Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Network Interface 2037, WY Melbourne Posts: 15,284	I still haven't seen the DC, but I've taken egg-morphing as canon ever since I read the Alien novelisation nearly 20 years ago. It's reinclusion in the DC raises issues, but as said, there's viable ways around it. Mostly.

12-01-2003, 03:13 AM	#16
Desdinova Wait for the cream Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2002 Location: Disgusta, GA Posts: 4,940	All these theories that suggest that the original alien went back to the derelict for more eggs seem to assume that a drone can either magically sense the location of both the derelict and the colony, or notice -and understand the significance of- any tracks the Jordan's vehicle might have left.

12-01-2003, 05:23 AM	#17
Daemos GOD OF F*CK Godlike Poster Join Date: May 2001 Location: Judecca Posts: 23,076	Exactly Xenobob. For me the latest version of the movie is canon. So A1DC > A1, same applies to every other Alien film. I don't care if the director's had a hand or not in the making of these new cuts and special editions, it's Fox's franchise.

12-01-2003, 05:36 AM	#18
Desdinova Wait for the cream Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2002 Location: Disgusta, GA Posts: 4,940	I view the Alien Director's Cut the same way. I mean, honestly, it's not as if it really contradicts any of the other films. It just adds to the first movie. I actually really liked that they included this scene. I thought it was an excellent reminder that we really still do not know everything about the alien, and just what it can or cannot do, or how it thinks and interacts with its surroundings.

12-01-2003, 06:00 AM	#19
Daemos GOD OF F*CK Godlike Poster Join Date: May 2001 Location: Judecca Posts: 23,076	The real debate will be about A3SE. I see no reason not to embrace it if it explains certain phenomena better. We can certainly use the new material and this is better than the original!

12-01-2003, 06:47 AM	#20
Desdinova Wait for the cream Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2002 Location: Disgusta, GA Posts: 4,940	I'm really looking forward to A3SE, but I seriously doubt very many will consider it canon.

12-01-2003, 12:35 PM	#21
Kimarhi Ronso I thought what I'd do was.... Epic Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hooterville, KY, USA Posts: 16,365	I won't. But about the Alien finding the eggs. If your an alien wouldn't you kind of figure out that you had to come from somewhere?

12-01-2003, 02:33 PM	#22
Captain Disrupto Real men wear utilitybelts. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: <<CLASSIFIED>> (for tax reasons...) Posts: 4,653	Especially since: 1) Genetic Memory 2) The hugger is still concious which means: The alien knows it came from an egg, knows how the hive system works, and knows there are more eggs. It also automatically knows exactly what a queen egg looks like, so all it has to do is backtrack to the Derelict. And, since it's a predatory animal, it's not an idiot. it can find it's way.

12-01-2003, 08:55 PM	#28
SM Network Interface 2037 Epic Poster Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Network Interface 2037, WY Melbourne Posts: 15,284	AbsoluteAvP's only just come back online but all the URLs have changed. Home page is time.absoluteavp.com, but none of the connecting pages have the correct URLs. What did you want to know? Anyway an airlift back to HH is possible. Also possible is the Alien births itself when it wants to, to best ensure the spread of the species. Coulda been what was happening to Purvis.

12-02-2003, 12:22 AM	#29
Desdinova Wait for the cream Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2002 Location: Disgusta, GA Posts: 4,940	You know, it's also possible that the derelict is less than a week away from the colony, and they just took several days to find it. I doubt they would've found the derelict immediately - they weren't even told what they were looking for. The derelict may have been only a day or so away, or maybe even less than that. But I still don't believe the first alien ever went back to the derelict, or even could.

12-02-2003, 12:29 AM	#30
Captain Disrupto Real men wear utilitybelts. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: <<CLASSIFIED>> (for tax reasons...) Posts: 4,653	True. The coordinates might have been a little sketchy. Or it might have taken a little while to go around a canyon or something. The alien would just go right over it. Then again, if they did airlift, then there was probably a few more people who went in. Thus increasing the queen-probability.