Which is the best sequel?

[Fomorian]

Though I am inclined to believe that these became clich

[Xenomorph Queen]

Very well said and I agree completely.

[k_dog77803]

You just like Aliens cuase thats when the Queen 1st appears.

[skullsplitter]

Originally posted by XENOMORPH dragQUEEN
The characters in Aliens were far more developed than in Alien3, skullsplitter. Most of the prisoners were just alien food and I certainly didn't care whether a majority of them died or not.

I don't agree with that, the prisoners had a lot more character to them than half of the marines, and both were alien food....

[Xenomorph Queen]

Originally posted by k_dog77803
You just like Aliens cuase thats when the Queen 1st appears.

She is an excellent addition, but no.

@ skullsplitter: How many marines were just alien food? Maybe 2 or 3. Practically all the prisoners were killed off in quick succession, without evoking any feeling fo sadness in me.

[Renegade 2501]

Oh please, there would have been many more marine deaths if Cameron could have fit more in the squad. Crowe and Wierzbowski were wasted in a flash, as was Frost and Dietrich, and hell even Apone got it pretty early in the film. Half the marines were killed in a span of five minutes. The inmates were spaced out more, but yes, they too brought little emotional baggage with them because there were so many that the average audience member didn't know.

However, when you compare the marines that were developed to the inmates/prison staff that were developed, the inmates are clearly superior. Both 'Aliens' and 'Alien3' have fodder characters, no doubts there, but 'Alien3' stands out more when it comes to developed characters (besides Ripley, who was good in both films).

[Kimarhi Ronso]

Originally posted by abake
Tricky question.
?Cause to be perfectly honest, Aliens expanded much better on the first movie, showing where these people came from, what society was like (more or less)...
In short, it built on all the premises of the first movie.
Now, if you ask me which sequel I like best, then I'd have to say Alien 3.

You see some aspect of civilized life, but not much. It gave you just a glimpse but I don't feel like it showed where anybody came from or what society was like.

But anything at all is better than nothing at all I suppose.

[SM]

However, when you compare the marines that were developed to the inmates/prison staff that were developed, the inmates are clearly superior.

Clearly superior? Highly debatable. What development did the prisoners/ staff have? I dunno if I'd call 11th hour changes of heart by Aaron and Morse 'development'. That's as much development as Gorman turning out to be an okay guy for going back for Vasquez. Dillon is also arguable since he was a fairly principled leader of men before Ripley arrived.

He's just as engaging as Hicks from an audience perspective, but 'clearly superior'? Don't know. I think a wider audience dug on characters like Hicks, Hudson and Vasquez a LOT more than anyone in Alien3.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

I think Aaron was one of the better characters of Alien 3. I think through the movie that he just wanted to believe that the Company would rescue him and the prisoners and that everything would be okay, and only had a change of heart when he found out that the Company was lying and was after Ripley and the Alien.

I liked him.

I won't say that any of the characters from any of the four films (besides Ripley) is better developed, but certain characters are going to appeal more to certain people.

[Fomorian]

I liked Clemens alot. I thought he was the perfect depiction of how a human would grow in an inhuman environement. Dillon was also nice, as he was clearly the alpha male there but was also the most faithful to his beliefs. The company personnal were a bit on the comical side to me: one was the archetypal antagonistic steward that wasn't too keen on letting someone disrupt his fine establishment (every prison film has one) and the other was the submissive lackey (though I liked how they depicted him as clinging on to the company for salvation). Morse doesn't stick out until the end, where he earns the title of survivor. The only other inmate that really stuck out was the lunatic who tried to free the dragon (who was that one again?). But then there was nothing credible to his character; just what kind of mental condition does one have to have to start worshipping an alien? (no offense to anyone on these boards) I felt his character was better in the original version (where his ravings were left on the hospital bed).

In fact I tend to prefer the original Alien 3 over the SE. The SE feels needlessly drawn out (although there are some way cool scenes like Clemens walking on the beach) and it took away the queen burster which really kills the climax.

[The Shrike]

I like the theatrical cuts for all the films better than their extended or special edition cuts, so your not alone there.

[Renegade 2501]

Originally posted by SM
I think a wider audience dug on characters like Hicks, Hudson and Vasquez a LOT more than anyone in Alien3.

Of course they did, because Hicks, Hudson, and Vasquez crack jokes and are "good guys" in the eyes of the audience. They're not rapists/murderers with gloomy attitudes towards everything.

The truth is, I'm more impressed with characters that can hold my interest without the use of comedy, because it's easy to make someone laugh, but when you get the audience to like the characters even though they're not all that funny - now that takes some effort. Don't get me wrong, I like some humor here and there very much, but 'Alien3' managed to get away with hardly any humor at all, which I think is more difficult to do. Although, I obviously liked the characters in 'Alien3', so I'm obviously biased; still, I think what I say holds a bit of water.

[THUNDERBOLT]

A2 if it would've flopped there would've not been an A3 or A4 and later AvP.

[Xenomorph Queen]

No AvP? That would be a tragedy.

[SM]

I was more thinking 'Godsend'.

[Guenner]

Originally posted by Fomorian
TIndeed, they are what you were always afraid of lurking under your bed, they are the thing that will take you away into the dark.

That's absolutely right! Only ALIEN and ALIENS have monsters that are scary as hell.
But I love all the films of the TRILOGY. Although the Alien wasn't really scary in ALIEN

[abake]

Originally posted by Kimarhi Ronso
You see some aspect of civilized life, but not much. It gave you just a glimpse but I don't feel like it showed where anybody came from or what society was like.

But anything at all is better than nothing at all I suppose.

Yes, but what I mean is that the environment depicted is far more normalin Aliens, not the extreme situation that Alien3 is.
Put simply, Aliens shows regular people in normal day to day life (again, sort of) whereas Alien 3 is set in a prison planet full of demented people who live almost as if they were in a monastery 1400 years ago... hardly a snapshot of society.
But I'm nitpicking...

[Jampry]

All I can say is both are phenomenal sequels, and I can

[PREDATOR_WARRIOR]

Originally posted by k_dog77803
You just like Aliens cuase thats when the Queen 1st appears.

Off Topic:
Yea, I really got bored of all those Aliens, and AvP games where the Queen is almost always the final boss, when you are playing as either a Marine or Predator.

[THUNDERBOLT]

THE SEQUEL THAT HaS NOT BEEN MADE YET
love the caps bro...It's a form of expression

[Nova]

Aliens.

Originally posted by THUNDERBOLT
THE SEQUEL THAT HES NOT BEEN MADE YET

[Innominata]

Alien 3 by a loooong shot.