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PFC_Hudson · 11-23-2006, 02:08 PM

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Daemos, give me five.

Injy, I'm sorry man, but I totally disagree with you, 100%. I think they're story is amazing and they've come a very long way. I think they are an incredibly diverse, awesome band.

Injektilo · 11-23-2006, 02:30 PM

Diverse within a particular spectrum that you find awesome, yes, fair enough. But to me, By The Way sounds like Californication II and Stadium Arcadium like Californication III - what evolution they've gone through between their earlier works and Californication is all well and good (certainly not a particularly noticable one IMO), but it strikes me that they're no longer progressing their music into new territory.

Hold up though, because I can say the same for In Flames, Levellers, Eels, Dark Tranquillity and Nile, many of my absolute favourite artists. It's not really a negative thing - each have dabbled with different aspects of their musicianship within a noticable tagent of what makes them recognisable as 'that band'. This is not what I consider to be musically diverse however.

Who I do consider to be just that are the likes of Primal Scream, Fantomas, Devin Townsend, Radiohead, Bjork, UNKLE and their ilk, where most releases are confoundingly different from the last. Even Madonna as Conner said. I reserve my labelling of music as being diverse quite conservatively but it's by no means a bad thing. In fact, artists who doggedly pursue diversity too much make the odd stinker of an album.

Conner Macleod · 11-23-2006, 02:41 PM

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I think you might need to relax a bit though man, you seem to be very high strung and defensive. Instead of embracing the fact that we both love the Peppers and admire their work, this thread has turned into an argument over whether or not we accepts other's opinions.

It's all good, dude, you've got me all wrong. What's a forum if you can't have a good discussion? That's all it is to me.

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The truth is, whether or not you and I think the Red Hot Chili Peppers are a diverse, maturing band, that does not make it a fact. Even though you say you acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you have the tendency to state yours as if it were a fact. If Injy thinks that the Chili Peppers are a stale band that haven't progressed at all through the years, then that's what they are to him, no matter what we say. The only thing you're doing by arguing your opinion as fact, is drawing out an already established point, thus hindering the thread from progressing any further.

That's a very common misconception that I far too frequently see in these forums. Just because I state my opinion as fact does not make it so, it's simply my opinion. The main reason why I don't state my opinion in a manner which is blatantly an opinion is because that would be redundant. If I say "imo", then I'm overstating the fact that I'm simply speaking my mind. Since it already is my thoughts and feelings, there's really no need to say "imo" or any deviation thereof. For whatever reason, some posters misinterpret this as me stating my opinions as fact, but this is certainly not the case. I rely on logic, evidence, anecdotal or empirical, to prove my point, not emotions. If there's a disagreement, fine, I have no problems with that as I've stated numerous times, but there won't ever be any progress in the world if we just give up all discussions and say "well you're right and I'm right so let's not ever discuss anything anymore". Healthy debates lead to critical thinking about important topics, and we can all benefit from each other's perspectives, it's a reciprocal process. All I attempted to do with Injektilo was to present the same situation from a different light, to show that there's a different way of looking at this example. Maybe he still disagrees with me but at least he could appreciate the idea from an alternate point of view. I hope this clears up any misconception you have about my presence in this thread.

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I mean, maybe I should just butt out and let you to guys bang your heads together, but I'd like to see this thread take some different paths and let some other people talk about the Peppers.

I'd rather have a meeting of the minds than head banging, although the latter wouldn't be too bad with some Metallica

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Yeah, reading while writing is very interesting to me. It's sometimes difficult for me, because different music equals a different voice in my writing, so if I'm not listening to one progressive string of music my writing tends to branch off. I might try it again though.

Some studies have shown that listening to Mozart (edit: darn typo) helps students improve their efficiency, and purportedly subjecting infants to his music will help develop their brains in a positive manner, affecting parts of the brain that needs stimulation but normally does not receive it. Food for thought

Injektilo · 11-23-2006, 02:43 PM

Mum used to suggest I listen to Mozart when doing my homework. I didn't and am thusly an academic FAILURE.

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Originally posted by Conner Macleod
I rely on logic, evidence, anecdotal or empirical, to prove my point, not emotions.

Is that not a little redundant in the discussion of music?

BullpupDFWM · 11-23-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Conner Macleod
Some studies have shown that listening to Mozard helps students improve their efficiency, and purportedly subjecting infants to his music will help develop their brains in a positive manner, affecting parts of the brain that needs stimulation but normally does not receive it. Food for thought

There have also been studies that show that mice running a maze will do so a lot faster and more efficiently if they are listening to heavy metal than slower types of music or no music at all.

\m/

Injektilo · 11-23-2006, 09:27 PM

Yes, attempting to ESCAPE. :ohh

Hamz · 11-23-2006, 10:30 PM

Put on the Residents album Animal Lover and the mice would start to talk and devise plans to take over the world.

Conner Macleod · 11-24-2006, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Injektilo:
Is that not a little redundant in the discussion of music?

Anecdotal and empirical are different concepts if that's what you're referring to as being redundant, but I see no problem/redundancy with employing logic in any discussion, as long as it's reasonable within the context. In many discussions regarding music I'd agree that it's all subjective, but there are other instances like in this thread that fall outside of that scope. It all depends on what's being discussed.

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There have also been studies that show that mice running a maze will do so a lot faster and more efficiently if they are listening to heavy metal than slower types of music or no music at all.

\m/

Rock on!

Chris · 11-24-2006, 04:50 AM

When I first listened to Stadium Arcadium, I totally lost track of where 1 song finished and another began around 1/2 way through the album and I didn't even notice when it finished.

Back in the day, it was "New RHCP album = must buy GOGOGOGOGO" now it's more like "Hmmm I'll listen to it a couple of times first because I'm not paying money to listen to the same stuff over again".

PFC_Hudson · 11-24-2006, 10:54 AM

Conner, I understand where you're coming from, I just don't like it.

Hamz · 11-24-2006, 03:56 PM

I didn't like stadium arcadium for the same reason I didn't really like Audioslave's new one, they are treading over the same ground

Conner Macleod · 11-25-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally posted by Chris:
When I first listened to Stadium Arcadium, I totally lost track of where 1 song finished and another began around 1/2 way through the album and I didn't even notice when it finished.

My initial impression was similar, but over time it's grown on me. There are a few songs that aren't all that, but overall I feel it's a solid album.

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Originally posted by PFC-Hudson:
Conner, I understand where you're coming from, I just don't like it.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that you do....Your posts, presumably in response to mine, seemed overtly accusative, as if I was the instigator of thread malaise, which came across to me as unwarranted, hence my responses. I have no problems with anyone here, I'm simply expressing my view on this topic, so I don't see how that makes me the "bad guy" since I didn't directly attack anyone. Whatever, I've explained my stance thoroughly without any flames, quite fairly and objectively. Peace out.

Injektilo · 11-25-2006, 11:40 AM

You personally attacked me by calling me deaf!!11

Best Chilis song : Love Rollercoaster. Was my favourite song for about a year in my teens. One of those covers that bested the original.

Conner Macleod · 11-25-2006, 03:53 PM

I didn't know that was a cover song, who sang the original? It really is a good song.

PFC_Hudson · 11-25-2006, 03:55 PM

Connor, I didn't call you a bad guy, I just said I don't agree with you. No flaming on my side either bro.

Injektilo · 11-25-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Conner Macleod
I didn't know that was a cover song, who sang the original? It really is a good song.

Ohio Players.

wheelman_69 · 11-27-2006, 02:19 AM

no love for higher ground?

Conner Macleod · 11-27-2006, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by PFC_Hudson
Connor, I didn't call you a bad guy, I just said I don't agree with you. No flaming on my side either bro.

Not implicitly but indirectly that was more or less what was implied, at least that's the impression that I got, that I was not keeping a friendly discussion going, making me the "bad guy". You didn't mean it that way, fair enough I suppose but I'm sure you can see why I interpreted it as such.

Also, saying that you don't like where I'm coming from, figuratively speaking, was a little too personal. Disagree with me, that's cool, but your statement was too antagonistic. I find it hard to believe that my stance on this is that disagreeable, unreasonable or objectionable since I went to great lengths to make my intention very clear, that it was anything but what you alleged.

In any event, this has digressed too far for too long, we obviously don't agree, so let's leave it at that. Peace.

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Ohio Players.

Hmmm, I'll have to look for their version of it and juxtapose it with the RHCP's version.

Gretel · 11-27-2006, 12:15 PM

This thread is hilarious.

PFC_Hudson · 11-28-2006, 01:31 AM

Dude, Connor, this is by far one of the most drug out, beat-to-fucking-death dead horses I have EVER seen! I mean, I don't even remember what we're arguing about man!! For Christ's sake. What, were you stating your opinion as a fact and I didn't like that? WHO CARES! I mean, what are we fighting like this for? We sound like a bunch of little bitches!! I can't believe us! HA!! WE'RE A COUPLE OF WHINEY BITCHES!! HAAA! Listen to us!

I don't think your opinion should be stated as a fact!

Well you're causing the thread's malaise!

Dude, what Injy said about emotion is true, and that's pretty much the only fact I've seen in this thread. You have to use emotion to judge music, not facts or text book definitions, music is something that comes and goes through the soul, everyone is going to be effected differently by it. There's no formula to explain that.

Conner Macleod · 11-28-2006, 07:07 AM

Roflcoper, lolerscates?

PFC_Hudson · 11-28-2006, 02:36 PM

I don't know what that means but I'm glad that you're smiling.

I think the funniest thing about our whole argument is that we both agree completely when it comes to what we think about the Chili Peppers!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! THAT IS FUCKING HILARIOUS! I LOVE IT!

God I love this place.

Peace brotha.

Conner Macleod · 11-29-2006, 05:37 AM

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I don't know what that means but I'm glad that you're smiling.

The roflcopter and lolerscates are just extensions of rofl or lol, you know like lolz, lolzors and other variations thereof.

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I think the funniest thing about our whole argument is that we both agree completely when it comes to what we think about the Chili Peppers!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! THAT IS FUCKING HILARIOUS! I LOVE IT!

God I love this place.

Lol, it's all good man, I'm not as serious as some people mistake me for in these forums, I guess I'm just a little argumentative by nature

One of my vices, I suppose.

Anywho, no hard feelings, man, peace brotha

Salvage Guy · 01-03-2007, 12:11 PM

RHCP are a bunch of over-rated crap. IMOHO of course but when I BOUGHT (blindly) this album many moons ago, it did not turn me on in the slightest. Maybe I missed the innovation of nufunk-rock but it seems a very gimmicky genre to me. There were maybe one or two tracks that stood out three or four hairs above the others but then since I hadn't listened to them before people covering them had raped my potential opinion and since recently they've become pop-mundanity, I have no interest in them whatsoever.

Conner Macleod · 01-04-2007, 03:23 AM

Music, including theirs, has changed so much over the years that it's almost impossible to put their innovation into the context of the time in which it came out. Sure you can read about the ground they broke back then but actually experiencing that music when other genres of music were dominating the airwaves is a completely different matter altogether.

Naturally overexposure of nearly anything will sour its novelty.

11-23-2006, 02:30 PM	#32 (permalink)
Injektilo bleep freak Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,157	Diverse within a particular spectrum that you find awesome, yes, fair enough. But to me, By The Way sounds like Californication II and Stadium Arcadium like Californication III - what evolution they've gone through between their earlier works and Californication is all well and good (certainly not a particularly noticable one IMO), but it strikes me that they're no longer progressing their music into new territory. Hold up though, because I can say the same for In Flames, Levellers, Eels, Dark Tranquillity and Nile, many of my absolute favourite artists. It's not really a negative thing - each have dabbled with different aspects of their musicianship within a noticable tagent of what makes them recognisable as 'that band'. This is not what I consider to be musically diverse however. Who I do consider to be just that are the likes of Primal Scream, Fantomas, Devin Townsend, Radiohead, Bjork, UNKLE and their ilk, where most releases are confoundingly different from the last. Even Madonna as Conner said. I reserve my labelling of music as being diverse quite conservatively but it's by no means a bad thing. In fact, artists who doggedly pursue diversity too much make the odd stinker of an album.

11-23-2006, 09:27 PM	#36 (permalink)
Injektilo bleep freak Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,157	Yes, attempting to ESCAPE. :ohh

11-23-2006, 10:30 PM	#37 (permalink)
Hamz I said get your ass the hell off of my boat! Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 8,646	Put on the Residents album Animal Lover and the mice would start to talk and devise plans to take over the world.

11-24-2006, 04:50 AM	#39 (permalink)
Chris Porkus Maximus. Nevar4get. Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Essex, England Posts: 6,618	When I first listened to Stadium Arcadium, I totally lost track of where 1 song finished and another began around 1/2 way through the album and I didn't even notice when it finished. Back in the day, it was "New RHCP album = must buy GOGOGOGOGO" now it's more like "Hmmm I'll listen to it a couple of times first because I'm not paying money to listen to the same stuff over again".

11-24-2006, 10:54 AM	#40 (permalink)
PFC_Hudson Yeah man, but it's the DRY heat! Elite Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13,507	Conner, I understand where you're coming from, I just don't like it.

11-24-2006, 03:56 PM	#41 (permalink)
Hamz I said get your ass the hell off of my boat! Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 8,646	I didn't like stadium arcadium for the same reason I didn't really like Audioslave's new one, they are treading over the same ground

11-25-2006, 11:40 AM	#43 (permalink)
Injektilo bleep freak Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,157	You personally attacked me by calling me deaf!!11 Best Chilis song : Love Rollercoaster. Was my favourite song for about a year in my teens. One of those covers that bested the original.

11-25-2006, 03:53 PM	#44 (permalink)
Conner Macleod Highlander Hardcore Veteran Join Date: May 1999 Location: USA Posts: 8,205	I didn't know that was a cover song, who sang the original? It really is a good song.

11-25-2006, 03:55 PM	#45 (permalink)
PFC_Hudson Yeah man, but it's the DRY heat! Elite Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13,507	Connor, I didn't call you a bad guy, I just said I don't agree with you. No flaming on my side either bro.

11-27-2006, 02:19 AM	#47 (permalink)
wheelman_69 Registered User Forum Fiend Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BRAINARD, NE UNITED STATES Posts: 612	no love for higher ground?

11-27-2006, 12:15 PM	#49 (permalink)
Gretel icon. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,958	This thread is hilarious.

11-28-2006, 01:31 AM	#50 (permalink)
PFC_Hudson Yeah man, but it's the DRY heat! Elite Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13,507	Dude, Connor, this is by far one of the most drug out, beat-to-fucking-death dead horses I have EVER seen! I mean, I don't even remember what we're arguing about man!! For Christ's sake. What, were you stating your opinion as a fact and I didn't like that? WHO CARES! I mean, what are we fighting like this for? We sound like a bunch of little bitches!! I can't believe us! HA!! WE'RE A COUPLE OF WHINEY BITCHES!! HAAA! Listen to us! I don't think your opinion should be stated as a fact! Well you're causing the thread's malaise! Dude, what Injy said about emotion is true, and that's pretty much the only fact I've seen in this thread. You have to use emotion to judge music, not facts or text book definitions, music is something that comes and goes through the soul, everyone is going to be effected differently by it. There's no formula to explain that.

11-28-2006, 07:07 AM	#51 (permalink)
Conner Macleod Highlander Hardcore Veteran Join Date: May 1999 Location: USA Posts: 8,205	Roflcoper, lolerscates?

11-28-2006, 02:36 PM	#52 (permalink)
PFC_Hudson Yeah man, but it's the DRY heat! Elite Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13,507	I don't know what that means but I'm glad that you're smiling. I think the funniest thing about our whole argument is that we both agree completely when it comes to what we think about the Chili Peppers!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! THAT IS FUCKING HILARIOUS! I LOVE IT! God I love this place. Peace brotha.

01-03-2007, 12:11 PM	#54 (permalink)
Salvage Guy Forum Officer Forum Officer Hardcore Veteran Join Date: May 2002 Location: Edinburgh, UK Posts: 8,454	RHCP are a bunch of over-rated crap. IMOHO of course but when I BOUGHT (blindly) this album many moons ago, it did not turn me on in the slightest. Maybe I missed the innovation of nufunk-rock but it seems a very gimmicky genre to me. There were maybe one or two tracks that stood out three or four hairs above the others but then since I hadn't listened to them before people covering them had raped my potential opinion and since recently they've become pop-mundanity, I have no interest in them whatsoever.

01-04-2007, 03:23 AM	#55 (permalink)
Conner Macleod Highlander Hardcore Veteran Join Date: May 1999 Location: USA Posts: 8,205	Music, including theirs, has changed so much over the years that it's almost impossible to put their innovation into the context of the time in which it came out. Sure you can read about the ground they broke back then but actually experiencing that music when other genres of music were dominating the airwaves is a completely different matter altogether. Naturally overexposure of nearly anything will sour its novelty.