Blood Sugar Sex Magik

[PFC_Hudson]

Has to be one of the best albums ever made.

I am just now getting into The Red Hot Chili Peppers and I honestly don't think I'll ever get out of them. They are by far the coolest, hippest, funkiest band I have ever heard and they're story is amazing.

I love The Red Hot Chili Peppers, let that be known.

[Injektilo]

I liked them right up 'til By The Way when they started getting a bit naff. BSSM is ace though.

[BullpupDFWM]

Truly a great album. But they irritate me lately.

[PFC_Hudson]

Injektilo, what is naff?

[BullpupDFWM]

crap

[Injektilo]

naff1 (nf)
adj. Chiefly British Slan.

Unstylish, cliched, or outmoded.

^____^

BTW is still a decent enough album, just not really in comparison to much of their early stuff and was definitely the time when they should've been trying something a little different.

Fortune Faded was alright. Stadium Arcadium was rubbish though, butter spreaded across too much bread /bilbo.

[PFC_Hudson]

Hmmm, I'll have to listen to those albums before I can comment. I know my friend would disagree with what you're saying though. He loves Stadium Arcadium.

I love Anthony Kiedis' lyrics. He has the greatest way of describing things in this really poetic, funky way. I love it.

[wheelman_69]

Originally posted by PFC_Hudson
I love Anthony Kiedis' lyrics. He has the greatest way of describing things in this really poetic, funky way. I love it.

you read scar tissue didnt you? after reading that i understand his lyrics a hell of alot better.

[Hamz]

yeah blood sugar sex magik is great, I love all the old RHCP albums.

But come on, funkiest band you've ever heard? Get some Parliament fast.

[.45ACP]

I saw them live with The Mars Volta the other week. Damn good show.

[Conner Macleod]

Great album, 'Under the Bridge' being one of my all time favorite songs.

'Californication' is an excellent album. I recently got their 'Greatest Hits' album, which is a really good compilation, nice variety which shows how truly diverse they are.

I'm not crazy about 'Stadium Arcadium', but it's still a very good album. 'Dani California' is a catchy tune. They've still got it.

[Injektilo]

The Chilis aren't really diverse. They're good and all, but are certainly a one trick pony. Like Oasis.

[PFC_Hudson]

Originally posted by .45ACP
I saw them live with The Mars Volta the other week. Damn good show.

It wasn't in Columbus Ohio was it?? Because that's where I saw them....

Injektilo: I disagree with what you said.

[Conner Macleod]

Originally posted by Injektilo
The Chilis aren't really diverse. They're good and all, but are certainly a one trick pony. Like Oasis.

You've been smokin' too much whacky tabaccy

No seriously though, you'd have to be deaf to not be able to hear how far they've grown and changed since their first album to their latest. They've matured, adopted new sounds, always keeping it fresh with a new spin on an old twist. Like Madonna, they've always been innovators, somehow managing to reinvent themselves time and time again.

[PFC_Hudson]

Connor, I agree with what you're saying about the Chili Peppers' progression, but I don't think it's fair to call Injy deaf. I think he's entitled to voice his opinion without facing repercussions of that nature.

I'm glad to know that you and I share the same feelings about the Chili Peppers, it's always nice to meet a fellow fan.

Peace

[.45ACP]

Originally posted by PFC_Hudson
It wasn't in Columbus Ohio was it?? Because that's where I saw them....

Injektilo: I disagree with what you said.

Nah, I saw them in Philadelphia.

[PFC_Hudson]

Ah, cool. I bet they were still badass though.

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by Conner Macleod
You've been smokin' too much whacky tabaccy

No seriously though, you'd have to be deaf to not be able to hear how far they've grown and changed since their first album to their latest. They've matured, adopted new sounds, always keeping it fresh with a new spin on an old twist. Like Madonna, they've always been innovators, somehow managing to reinvent themselves time and time again.

Haha! The Chili's material is almost blueprinted. There's a limited funk/rock spectrum to be filled out, which they've done several laps of their entire career. Grown and changed they may have done, but only in the limitations of what their 'sound' allows.

Now don't get all haughty with your accusations of deafness, this is not really a bad thing. I could say the same thing about the Levellers - they've got their niche and have pretty much stuck to it, dabbled with different angles on the one style of music before coming back round full circle. Some people get bored of it, others are happy to lap it up. But it's hardly worthy of being deemed innovative.

For complete diversity, a band needs total reinvention. Take Primal Scream - hippie-rock to glam-rock to psychedelia to funk/groove to dub to brooding trip-hop to angry electro throughout their career. Chilis - funk rock to funk rock to funk rock with some synthesizers. No.

[wheelman_69]

early in RHCP's career:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIonYqEjk9A


later in their career:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWsQO0x9KjI


if you cant notice a huge difference in their music then you are indeed deaf. theyve changed their sound so much since the freaky styley days. actually they're a completely different band. and i cant think of anyone who has duplicated the Chilis "formula". and besides nobody ever deems the chilis in their own genre. no, its not "sounds like funk rock", its "sounds like the red hot chili peppers".

[Hamz]

i cant think of anyone who has duplicated the Chilis "formula".

Infectious Grooves.

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by wheelman_69
if you cant notice a huge difference in their music then you are indeed deaf.

Sure, but it's not innovative or diverse. Many bands do the same while still sounding distinctive. Chilis 'formula'? If this formula means what you imply, it's pretty worrying that you think the Chilis are the only band to have done it.

[Conner Macleod]

Originally posted by PFC_Hudson:
Connor, I agree with what you're saying about the Chili Peppers' progression, but I don't think it's fair to call Injy deaf. I think he's entitled to voice his opinion without facing repercussions of that nature.

I was being hyperbolic. Rest assured it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, as are you, me and anyone else here and elsewhere, I've never contended otherwise.

Originally posted by Injektilo:
Haha! The Chili's material is almost blueprinted. There's a limited funk/rock spectrum to be filled out, which they've done several laps of their entire career. Grown and changed they may have done, but only in the limitations of what their 'sound' allows.

I see your point, but that's like saying that Monet was limited within his ingenious use of impressionism. Just because an artist prefers to stick to a particular genre or style that does not mean that they cannot be as innovative within it as other artists who are more "non-conformist" musically speaking. They're simply different approaches to the same medium, both brilliant and mature in their own right.

Now don't get all haughty with your accusations of deafness, this is not really a bad thing. I could say the same thing about the Levellers - they've got their niche and have pretty much stuck to it, dabbled with different angles on the one style of music before coming back round full circle. Some people get bored of it, others are happy to lap it up. But it's hardly worthy of being deemed innovative.

Bored or not is besides the point. Let's look at my previous analogy from a different angle, let's say that Blizzard Entertainment has been incredibly innovative with their 'WarCraft' RTS series of PC games. If you look at their first game to the latest, 'WarCraft III', it is undeniable to say that they have been anything but innovative within the RTS genre if you look at the unit formations, graphical improvements, unique races and balancing thereof as compared to their initial offering in 'WarCraft'. Sure you can say "they're not that great because WC3 is only a more advanced version of their previous games, although they're ok as far as RTS makers go", but that wouldn't really be fair to the same group of developers who worked on all those games over the years, now would it? Same is true for the 'Red Hot Chili Peppers'.

For complete diversity, a band needs total reinvention. Take Primal Scream - hippie-rock to glam-rock to psychedelia to funk/groove to dub to brooding trip-hop to angry electro throughout their career. Chilis - funk rock to funk rock to funk rock with some synthesizers. No.

Diversity is an entirely different bag of tricks and doesn't pertain to the point of contention, but rather the claim that they're a one trick pony which does them great disservice. All I'm saying is that as a band, RHCP has evolved, matured and grown musically and spiritually. You can see it in their live performances, hear it in their music and read it in their lyrics. You're trying to claim that their music has been artistically stifled all these years, another "one hit wonder", figuratively speaking of course, but as I alluded to before, unless you've been completely oblivious to their entire career, which clearly you haven't, you cannot honestly say or believe that the RHCP are that creatively devoid and insignificant on the world stage of musicians.

Diversity's great but one can be just as if not more than brilliant while adhering to one specific style or genre. I don't think anyone in their right mind is about to claim that musical geniouses such as Mozart was overrated just because he stuck to classical and opera.

It all comes down to either being a jack of all trades or master of one, perfection can be found within either camp.

[PFC_Hudson]

I think as long as everyone understands that all of these opinions are valid to each individual who possesses them and not one opinion is definitely right or wrong, this conversation may continue in a friendly matter.

[Conner Macleod]

That has not changed, PFC_Hudson....Besides having fun, the whole point of forums is to discuss ideas to further one's understanding or knowledge of a particular subject. There is an infinite amount of ways of looking at the same topic, hence the often long debates between various individuals for days, sometimes weeks. This thread is no different than any other of a similar nature.

I already stated in my previous post that it was not mean spirited as you and Injy misinterpreted and that I wholly agreed with your sentiment. As far as I'm concerned, this conversation hasn't strayed from being friendly.

[PFC_Hudson]

Conner, if we are both agreeing on the same subject and we're both
on the same plane, why do you feel the need to constantly reiterate what I just said?

Some of the replies in here read as if they are responding to a challenge of some sort, and I don't get that.

My friend and I played a game of chess to the entire album of Blood Sugar Sex Magik, it was a great game! It's really interesting to see how different music effects your playing style.

[Conner Macleod]

Because I got the impression that each time I posted, you rephrased your previous point about the need to be amicable towards each other, which seemed redundant since the contrary was not the case. If everything was copacetic, why reiterate the argument other than to point to some possible conflict which wasn't there. To me it seemed that you misconstrued what I said, hence my reply and I wanted to straighten out any possibly misconceived notion on your part.

My friend and I played a game of chess to the entire album of Blood Sugar Sex Magik, it was a great game! It's really interesting to see how different music effects your playing style.

I found that listening to music helped me concentrate when writing essays back in my university days....

[PFC_Hudson]

Conner, I think you have an impressive vocabulary and you used it very well in your last post.

I think you might need to relax a bit though man, you seem to be very high strung and defensive. Instead of embracing the fact that we both love the Peppers and admire their work, this thread has turned into an argument over whether or not we accepts other's opinions.

The truth is, whether or not you and I think the Red Hot Chili Peppers are a diverse, maturing band, that does not make it a fact. Even though you say you acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you have the tendency to state yours as if it were a fact. If Injy thinks that the Chili Peppers are a stale band that haven't progressed at all through the years, then that's what they are to him, no matter what we say. The only thing you're doing by arguing your opinion as fact, is drawing out an already established point, thus hindering the thread from progressing any further.

Injy, I think your first post, "I liked them right up 'til By The Way when they started getting a bit naff." also possesses this "opinion as fact" way of talking.

I mean, maybe I should just butt out and let you to guys bang your heads together, but I'd like to see this thread take some different paths and let some other people talk about the Peppers.

That's just me.

Edit: I just read your second comment...

Yeah, reading while writing is very interesting to me. It's sometimes difficult for me, because different music equals a different voice in my writing, so if I'm not listening to one progressive string of music my writing tends to branch off. I might try it again though.

[Daemos]

I think this album is actually one of the best albums made by any artist. Since then, I was hooked to RHCP! That and of course the video of Give It Away (I loved it!)

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by PFC_Hudson
If Injy thinks that the Chili Peppers are a stale band that haven't progressed at all through the years, then that's what they are to him, no matter what we say.

Of course they've progressed, but only to what the 'Red Hot Chili Peppers' sound barrier allows. They're not like a band who have suddenly swerved into an entirely different demographic like others, hence my skepticism about them being petted as diverse, innovative, etc. That's terminilogy I personally reserve for the truly unpredictable.

Maturing as a band really goes without saying, almost everyone else does too. Of course they do sound different these days than they did a decade ago, as again do the majority of most other bands - if they were still churning out BSSM-era style music, then yeah I might think of them as stale as you suggest. I just think it a little redundant to champion their maturity as it would be with anyone else.

I should reiterate that although I may think a band lacks diversity, this doesn't mean the band sucks. Many of my favourite bands stick to what they know, just like the Chilis, whilst still evolving internally if that makes sense.

Perhaps my 'one trick pony' label flicked some nerves back there. Again, I should explain that this does not equate to shitness.

[PFC_Hudson]

Originally posted by Daemos
I think this album is actually one of the best albums made by any artist. Since then, I was hooked to RHCP! That and of course the video of Give It Away (I loved it!)

Daemos, give me five.