Gothic music

PsyKore · 01-15-2005, 03:00 AM

Hi,

Does anyone listen to much gothic type music apart from the most obvious bands like NIN and Manson?

One band i love is Lycia. Although they kinda went a bit downhill in the past few years, they still have some of the best gothic/atmospheric albums out there, IMO. Check out their albums, "Ionia" and "Cold." My favourite song of their's is "Fate."

Lycia also had a side project known as Bleak who released the album, "Vane." This album featured a darker side to Lycia, with more anarchic, lo-fi beats and distorted ethereal guitars flowing over the top. It's amazing music and creates such an awesome atmosphere. If you like gothic/ethereal music, I recommend you checking them out if you havn't.

Keep in mind though, the albums I mentioned are pretty hard to come by though, so you may need to resort to downloading... but you didn't hear me say that. :P

Does anyone listen to any other gothic bands?

Fatness · 01-15-2005, 05:36 AM

I haven't listened to them in ages now as they're really not my thing anymore, but I guess Amorphis are pretty "gothic".

Injektilo · 01-15-2005, 09:01 AM

Browsing through my playlist - Dark Funeral, David Sylvian, Immortal, Lacuna Coil, Lunascape, Moonspell, My Dying Bride, Nightwish, Tapping The Vein, Within Temptation and Wumpscut all fall under gothic-esque music in one way or another.

I'm usually more partial to more medidative gothic music as opposed to the raucous stuff, though the latter is still nice now and then.

Lycia sound pretty good Psy, I'll check them out.

The Kinslayer · 01-15-2005, 04:03 PM

Gothic is cool. I listen on Nightwish, Hammerfall, In Flames, Gorgoroth, Dimmu Borgir, Children of Bodom etc. Some of them is maybe a little more black than goth though

Hunter · 01-15-2005, 04:25 PM

You guys got problems if you think Dark Funeral, In Flames, Hammerfall, Gorgoroth, Nightwish, Immortal, etc. are gothic. Calling Black Metal, Viking Metal, and Symphonic Power Metal gothic is awful and I hope you wouldn't bring it up at a show if you wanted to live. And on topic, the only goth bands I ever really listen to occasionally are Bella Morte and Leaether Strip.

Injektilo · 01-15-2005, 05:06 PM

'In one way or another'. To deny there is wasn't any at least subtle gothic influences at some point in the history of the artists I mentioned doesn't fly with me.

I agree about In Flames though, I don't see how their music is gothic in any way.

Vincent_Vodevil · 01-15-2005, 11:57 PM

The Cure is the only original "Goth" band I listen to regularly anymore, but I don't really consider them that. Occassionally I'll pop in Sisters of Mercy or London After Midnight. It's just too hard to find quality stuff in the myopia of cheese.

Collide is one newer goth-ish band I love, though. Beautiful music, and the singer's a fox.

BullpupDFWM · 01-16-2005, 12:02 AM

Given the random shit I listen to some gothic stuff is bound to slip in un-noticed. On the whole though the closest I probably get to gothic music (excluding Manson) is indutrial type stuff, like Skinny Puppy, Coal Chamber, and some of the heavier darker stuff like Dimmu Borgir, DevilDriver, My Dying Bride, and some other bits and pieces I can't seem to name off the top of my head...

Vincent_Vodevil · 01-16-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by BullpupDFWM
.. On the whole though the closest I probably get to gothic music (excluding Manson) is indutrial type stuff, like Skinny Puppy...

Oh yeah, I forgot about Skinny Puppy. Great stuff. Completely better than most of the unlistenable bleep-blop bands that come out of the industrial scene. Too Dark Park is their crowning achievement, imo.

BullpupDFWM · 01-16-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by Vincent_Vodevil
Oh yeah, I forgot about Skinny Puppy. Great stuff. Completely better than most of the unlistenable bleep-blop bands that come out of the industrial scene. Too Dark Park is their crowning achievement, imo.

I just got into them recently, and they grew on me extremly fast. I've been hard at work trying to hunt down all the albums, but I've been hard pressed to find anything, except a few singles here and there.

PsyKore · 01-16-2005, 02:04 AM

Black metal may be pushing the boundries somewhat. However, they are great bands all the same. but I had in mind the more genuine stuff, bands like 'Joy Division' for example...

'Faith And The Muse' is probably the most recent gothic band I like. They've got a very cool ethereal vibe and the singers voice is really angelic. "Fade And Remain" is probably my favourite of their songs. It's a great song to die to, heh.

London After Midnight and Collide are great bands, btw.

BullpupDFWM · 01-16-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by Vincent_Vodevil
The Cure is the only original "Goth" band I listen to regularly anymore

Soft Cell kick the Cures ass.

Injektilo · 01-16-2005, 07:44 AM

I quite liked Marc Almond's solo stuff. His cover of The Days Of Pearly Spencer is an ace song.

Vincent_Vodevil · 01-16-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by BullpupDFWM
Soft Cell kick the Cures ass.

I like Soft Cell, but they have nothing on The Cure. They've been one of my favorite bands since I started listening to music.

Tyranid · 01-27-2005, 04:18 AM

No, the only "gothic" music I listen to is Manson... I'm ashamed to admit this, but I also like goth-pop, more specifically Evanescence.

*ducks before he is hit by platform boots*

PsyKore · 01-27-2005, 10:03 AM

I never understood why Evanesance were classed as goth. Is it just because of the slutty makeup she wears? Because they have no gothic element in their music whatsoever. Just another disposable pop band. :P

Calle · 01-27-2005, 02:58 PM

Bauhaus anyone?

Destroyer666 · 01-27-2005, 04:14 PM

Bella Morte is a pretty cool goth band, especially the older stuff they categorize as' Death Rock' (similar to Misfits). Newer stuff is more electronica...Funeral Night is a pretty catchy one.

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Originally posted by Calle
Bauhaus anyone?

UNDEAD! UNDEAD! UNDEAD!

Alone in a darkened room...THE COUNT!

Injektilo · 01-27-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Calle
Bauhaus anyone?

Passion Of Lovers got played all the time at a club I used to go to, always got a surprisingly popular reaction.

Tyranid · 01-28-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by PsyKore
I never understood why Evanesance were classed as goth. Is it just because of the slutty makeup she wears? Because they have no gothic element in their music whatsoever. Just another disposable pop band. :P

I never reall understood it either, but that's what they've been classed as so I thought I might as well say it.

BullpupDFWM · 02-01-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by PsyKore
I never understood why Evanesance were classed as goth.

I feel the same way about all these 'punk' bands.

simmo · 02-08-2005, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by PsyKore
'Faith And The Muse' is probably the most recent gothic band I like. They've got a very cool ethereal vibe and the singers voice is really angelic. "Fade And Remain" is probably my favourite of their songs. It's a great song to die to, heh.

I gave 'Fade and Remain' a go tonight and i loved it it's a great song, any others i should check out?

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Originally posted by PsyKore
bands like 'Joy Division' for example...

'Love will tear us Apart' is one of my favourite songs ever.

PsyKore · 02-08-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by simmo
I gave 'Fade and Remain' a go tonight and i loved it it's a great song, any others i should check out?

Annwyn, Beneath the Remains
The Silver Circle
Sparks
Elyria
Shattered in Aspect
Running Up that Hill

Something2Remembe · 02-16-2005, 07:14 AM

How about Katatonia? [yes spelt with a K]

Viva Emptiness & Tonight's Decision <3

can't think of all that many actually... Tiamat? Prey was 50/50.

Evanescence are the best band in existence and their musical formula is flawless.

As is Amy Lee's rack................ of effects.

their piano ballad's are probably the best songs. Exodus, Give unto Me, Hello, My Immortal [original piano version from demo CD], You. [aren't meant to download that last one, some personal reason attached to it]

and how about LiNkIn PaRk!

BullpupDFWM · 02-16-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Something2Remember
Evanescence are the best band in existence and their musical formula is flawless.

As is Amy Lee's rack................ of effects.

their piano ballad's are probably the best songs. Exodus, Give unto Me, Hello, My Immortal [original piano version from demo CD], You. [aren't meant to download that last one, some personal reason attached to it]

and how about LiNkIn PaRk!

Dude, you're taking the piss.... right....?

Tyranid · 02-17-2005, 02:47 AM

It is in pink.

Something2Remembe · 02-17-2005, 06:39 AM

Omgz it's just so Uncool

so much for my happy ending.. woh oh, woh fucking oh.

In the end, can't you just bring me to life?

JamesAdler · 02-18-2005, 09:41 PM

I've heard people dismiss Cradle of Filth as gothic posers and whatnot, anyone wanna explain that to me?

Also, what's the difference between gothic metal, black metal, and death metal? I like them all, but I don't really know how to differentiate them, and thus, I classify them all as 'Heavy Metal.'

PsyKore · 02-19-2005, 03:52 AM

Cradle of Filth pretty much get slandered as posers merely because they're the most commercially successful gothic metal band. Basically they're seen as being "sold out" or as "mallcore." They're also seen as being very tacky and "fake" to the more underground metal fans, as well as their music being over-produced.

Fundementally, all those genres you mentioned are very similar, but the main differences as I see them are usually lyrical content and slight musical style. Black metal bands tend to follow a theme of evil and have a more epic "wall-of-noise" sound with satanic/anti-christian lyrics. Death metal is more riff-based and lyrically more about hatred, killing or injustice for various things.

With that said, it usually depends on what band it is, since many usually take many elements from different genres, so it's hard to really catagorize them all. Personally, I don't really like to lump bands into a specific genre because most of them usually have their own unique quality.

JamesAdler · 02-20-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by PsyKore
Cradle of Filth pretty much get slandered as posers merely because they're the most commercially successful gothic metal band. Basically they're seen as being "sold out" or as "mallcore." They're also seen as being very tacky and "fake" to the more underground metal fans, as well as their music being over-produced.

Oh, boo hoo. Whoever calls them posers should stop freakin shopping at Hot Topic then, eh?

01-15-2005, 03:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
PsyKore I can jump puddles Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,641	Gothic music Hi, Does anyone listen to much gothic type music apart from the most obvious bands like NIN and Manson? One band i love is Lycia. Although they kinda went a bit downhill in the past few years, they still have some of the best gothic/atmospheric albums out there, IMO. Check out their albums, "Ionia" and "Cold." My favourite song of their's is "Fate." Lycia also had a side project known as Bleak who released the album, "Vane." This album featured a darker side to Lycia, with more anarchic, lo-fi beats and distorted ethereal guitars flowing over the top. It's amazing music and creates such an awesome atmosphere. If you like gothic/ethereal music, I recommend you checking them out if you havn't. Keep in mind though, the albums I mentioned are pretty hard to come by though, so you may need to resort to downloading... but you didn't hear me say that. :P Does anyone listen to any other gothic bands?

01-15-2005, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hunter Demiurgi Saturni Hardcore Veteran Join Date: May 2001 Location: Darkness Eternal Posts: 6,279	You guys got problems if you think Dark Funeral, In Flames, Hammerfall, Gorgoroth, Nightwish, Immortal, etc. are gothic. Calling Black Metal, Viking Metal, and Symphonic Power Metal gothic is awful and I hope you wouldn't bring it up at a show if you wanted to live. And on topic, the only goth bands I ever really listen to occasionally are Bella Morte and Leaether Strip.
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01-15-2005, 05:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fatness Have heart Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,578	I haven't listened to them in ages now as they're really not my thing anymore, but I guess Amorphis are pretty "gothic".

01-15-2005, 09:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Injektilo FISSST. Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,392	Browsing through my playlist - Dark Funeral, David Sylvian, Immortal, Lacuna Coil, Lunascape, Moonspell, My Dying Bride, Nightwish, Tapping The Vein, Within Temptation and Wumpscut all fall under gothic-esque music in one way or another. I'm usually more partial to more medidative gothic music as opposed to the raucous stuff, though the latter is still nice now and then. Lycia sound pretty good Psy, I'll check them out.

01-15-2005, 04:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
The Kinslayer Registered User Forum Fodder Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 13	Gothic is cool. I listen on Nightwish, Hammerfall, In Flames, Gorgoroth, Dimmu Borgir, Children of Bodom etc. Some of them is maybe a little more black than goth though

01-15-2005, 05:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Injektilo FISSST. Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,392	'In one way or another'. To deny there is wasn't any at least subtle gothic influences at some point in the history of the artists I mentioned doesn't fly with me. I agree about In Flames though, I don't see how their music is gothic in any way.

01-15-2005, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Vincent_Vodevil Grand Guignol Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hicksville USA Posts: 1,801	The Cure is the only original "Goth" band I listen to regularly anymore, but I don't really consider them that. Occassionally I'll pop in Sisters of Mercy or London After Midnight. It's just too hard to find quality stuff in the myopia of cheese. Collide is one newer goth-ish band I love, though. Beautiful music, and the singer's a fox.

01-16-2005, 12:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
BullpupDFWM Yo solía coger gente como vosotros en la cárcel Hardcore Veteran Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 9,950	Given the random shit I listen to some gothic stuff is bound to slip in un-noticed. On the whole though the closest I probably get to gothic music (excluding Manson) is indutrial type stuff, like Skinny Puppy, Coal Chamber, and some of the heavier darker stuff like Dimmu Borgir, DevilDriver, My Dying Bride, and some other bits and pieces I can't seem to name off the top of my head...

01-16-2005, 02:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
PsyKore I can jump puddles Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,641	Black metal may be pushing the boundries somewhat. However, they are great bands all the same. but I had in mind the more genuine stuff, bands like 'Joy Division' for example... 'Faith And The Muse' is probably the most recent gothic band I like. They've got a very cool ethereal vibe and the singers voice is really angelic. "Fade And Remain" is probably my favourite of their songs. It's a great song to die to, heh. London After Midnight and Collide are great bands, btw.

01-16-2005, 07:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
Injektilo FISSST. Godlike Poster Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northampton, UK Posts: 22,392	I quite liked Marc Almond's solo stuff. His cover of The Days Of Pearly Spencer is an ace song.

01-27-2005, 04:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tyranid Ghost... Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand. Posts: 1,949	No, the only "gothic" music I listen to is Manson... I'm ashamed to admit this, but I also like goth-pop, more specifically Evanescence. ducks before he is hit by platform boots

01-27-2005, 10:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
PsyKore I can jump puddles Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,641	I never understood why Evanesance were classed as goth. Is it just because of the slutty makeup she wears? Because they have no gothic element in their music whatsoever. Just another disposable pop band. :P

01-27-2005, 02:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
Calle Registered User Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Lund, Sweden Posts: 1,666	Bauhaus anyone?

02-16-2005, 07:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
Something2Remembe Registered User Forum Fodder Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 25	How about Katatonia? [yes spelt with a K] Viva Emptiness & Tonight's Decision <3 can't think of all that many actually... Tiamat? Prey was 50/50. Evanescence are the best band in existence and their musical formula is flawless. As is Amy Lee's rack................ of effects. their piano ballad's are probably the best songs. Exodus, Give unto Me, Hello, My Immortal [original piano version from demo CD], You. [aren't meant to download that last one, some personal reason attached to it] and how about LiNkIn PaRk!

02-17-2005, 02:47 AM	#26 (permalink)
Tyranid Ghost... Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand. Posts: 1,949	It is in pink.

02-17-2005, 06:39 AM	#27 (permalink)
Something2Remembe Registered User Forum Fodder Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 25	Omgz it's just so Uncool so much for my happy ending.. woh oh, woh fucking oh. In the end, can't you just bring me to life?

02-18-2005, 09:41 PM	#28 (permalink)
JamesAdler sprankton. a noun. Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: WA Posts: 2,894	I've heard people dismiss Cradle of Filth as gothic posers and whatnot, anyone wanna explain that to me? Also, what's the difference between gothic metal, black metal, and death metal? I like them all, but I don't really know how to differentiate them, and thus, I classify them all as 'Heavy Metal.'

02-19-2005, 03:52 AM	#29 (permalink)
PsyKore I can jump puddles Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,641	Cradle of Filth pretty much get slandered as posers merely because they're the most commercially successful gothic metal band. Basically they're seen as being "sold out" or as "mallcore." They're also seen as being very tacky and "fake" to the more underground metal fans, as well as their music being over-produced. Fundementally, all those genres you mentioned are very similar, but the main differences as I see them are usually lyrical content and slight musical style. Black metal bands tend to follow a theme of evil and have a more epic "wall-of-noise" sound with satanic/anti-christian lyrics. Death metal is more riff-based and lyrically more about hatred, killing or injustice for various things. With that said, it usually depends on what band it is, since many usually take many elements from different genres, so it's hard to really catagorize them all. Personally, I don't really like to lump bands into a specific genre because most of them usually have their own unique quality.