Rap Lyrics Translations

[madbomber1998]

Rap Lyrics Translated / Rapping For Dummies / How to Rap for Dummies

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Lyrics:

First things first, I poppa, freaks all the honeys

Dummies - playboy bunnies, those wantin

[Lithium65]

Too many for me to read all the way through, but bravo for the ones I did read

[Ivyleaf]

Ha ha ha brilliance! This sort of reminds me of Denise Leary's Ebonics Language Lessons.

[Hamz]

Jive ass turkey.

[PFC_Hudson]

Who wrote these? Whoever he/she is, they're an analytical genius and one of the finest wordsmiths I've ever seen. They so accurately expose the people (assuming it's more than one rapper) who wrote those lyrics as the ignorant fools that they truly are.

[madbomber1998]

No one really knows. Some people say it was a student's paper that was submitted when he was forced to take an Ebonics class back in the late 1990's in California.....

[PFC_Hudson]

I have mad respect for that kid.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

You can do that with any musical category assuming you have an IQ of 100 and graduated highschool.


Vaguely amusing just not impressive.

[PFC_Hudson]

I think it takes more than that to break down those lyrics in such a humorous yet completely accurate way. I think he did an excellent job.

[Conner Macleod]

Funny stuff.

@Kimarhi, you're partially right, rap isn't the only musical genre that's limited to discussing sexual acts through sexual innuendo, however, the major difference between it and let's say classics like the Beatles is that they don't debase women and reduce them to mere sexual objects not worthy of consideration, nor do they obsess about materialistic values and subsequent bragging rights.

There can be substance through song and music attributed to the art of making love, with feelings, intellect, emotions and the beauty of the female form, etc. which is a far cry from tales of smacking my bitch up and givin' it to her doggy style, all as a result of the hookers and skanks being blinded by the bling bling.

That is the problem with much of rap and hip hop today which is highlighted by these satirical translations. You'll find some other genres doing similar stuff here and there, but by no means are they as prolific and pervasive as within the rap industry, which is the issue in a nut shell.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

Well I had this other thing typed out I was sure would create controversy so I deleted it and went with that instead.

My original point was along the lines of that yes there are stupidass lyrics out there, and plenty of stupidass raps with stupidass verses. But I don't understand why the white community especially gets all bent out of shape about rap or even it's subject matter. When people respond to how great the guy is for translating some very obvious lyrics, it comes off sounding more to me like somehow you people are afraid of black culture, and are only even replying to this thread too take a shot at black culture. "OMG, those black people totally punked me when I was little. FUCK YOU DARKIES!"

If I was to post kkk country music about white people "noosing ♥♥♥♥♥♥s around their necks," I too could translate some very obvious social insecurities and social stigma's from it's lyrics. Of course you don't hear that shit on the radio but it does exist.

Yes it seems the majority of black community are concerned with the material aspect of life, but it also seems that white people are overly concerned about what black people want to do, and that they should somehow follow the example of culture laid out by white america, or white people in general. And just because something seems that way doesn't mean it is. Your likely to always remember the ten or twelve cars you see driving down the street with their nonsensical rap blaring, but your never ever going to remember the other 200 that aren't doing anything but driving.

I'll tell you why rap doesn't bother me at all. Because it's not scary. Sex isn't scary. People walking around with wifebeaters and dewrags are not scary, black people are not scary. If you want to take away the power that those, "dirty rotten rap lyrics," have over white people, DON'T LET THEM BOTHER YOU. (and I'm not talking about some obvious asshole who has got his system blaring at 1:00 in the morning)

As bad as lyrics in songs can get, I've thought worse in my head and done worse in real life. And as such I cannot villify rap music for "singing" about what many of us have thought or done in real life.

I guess my original point is this. Who the fuck cares? Why should somebody translating rap lyrics warrant ANYONE'S time at all? It's as pointless as listining to wammy rap in the first place.

[-=Anarchy=-]

Originally posted by Kimarhi Ronso
Well I had this other thing typed out I was sure would create controversy so I deleted it and went with that instead.

My original point was along the lines of that yes there are stupidass lyrics out there, and plenty of stupidass raps with stupidass verses. But I don't understand why the white community especially gets all bent out of shape about rap or even it's subject matter. When people respond to how great the guy is for translating some very obvious lyrics, it comes off sounding more to me like somehow you people are afraid of black culture, and are only even replying to this thread too take a shot at black culture. "OMG, those black people totally punked me when I was little. FUCK YOU DARKIES!"

If I was to post kkk country music about white people "noosing ♥♥♥♥♥♥s around their necks," I too could translate some very obvious social insecurities and social stigma's from it's lyrics. Of course you don't hear that shit on the radio but it does exist.

Yes it seems the majority of black community are concerned with the material aspect of life, but it also seems that white people are overly concerned about what black people want to do, and that they should somehow follow the example of culture laid out by white america, or white people in general. And just because something seems that way doesn't mean it is. Your likely to always remember the ten or twelve cars you see driving down the street with their nonsensical rap blaring, but your never ever going to remember the other 200 that aren't doing anything but driving.

I'll tell you why rap doesn't bother me at all. Because it's not scary. Sex isn't scary. People walking around with wifebeaters and dewrags are not scary, black people are not scary. If you want to take away the power that those, "dirty rotten rap lyrics," have over white people, DON'T LET THEM BOTHER YOU. (and I'm not talking about some obvious asshole who has got his system blaring at 1:00 in the morning)

As bad as lyrics in songs can get, I've thought worse in my head and done worse in real life. And as such I cannot villify rap music for "singing" about what many of us have thought or done in real life.

I guess my original point is this. Who the fuck cares? Why should somebody translating rap lyrics warrant ANYONE'S time at all? It's as pointless as listining to wammy rap in the first place.

I love you man.

[The Dragon]

I dunno about other people Kimarhi, but for me it has nothing to do with the fact that most of these people are black or that I fear them because of my whiteness. Hearing Bubba Sparxx or any other white rapper has the same effect. This effect is not fear. It just annoyance. The entire concept of the culture is grating. The whole hip hop lifestyle is basically modern day hedonism. Drugs, booze, women (who they talk about like pieces of meat), bling, expensive clothes etc., which is not even to mention the obsession with violence. Seriously, name a positive aspect of hip hop culture and I'll retract my statement. Please. Go ahead.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You hear people like bubba sparxxx, like Ludacris, Mystikal, Little Jon and the eastside boyz, and automatically assume that everything in the hiphop culture sounds exactly like them.

Those cats do all sound the same, but the majority doesn't reflect the hiphop culture as a whole. There are rap groups out there with college educations who talk about the struggles of life (not THE struggle), don't act gangster, and rap about food as much as they do anything else. There are rap groups out there that have progressive elements to their song advising kids to raise the standards of their lives. And not by selling dope and banging mad bitches.

There is a popular television show that pokes fun at almost every aspect of hiphop culture and challenges people to look in the mirror at their own foolish behavior. Mostly blacks. Though it is a show that pokes fun at every culture. And it's by a black creator no less.

Every culture has it's idiots. When you start using the idiots as a representation of that culture as a whole, then you've only let cultural biasness get in your way.

To me, doing that is no different than the idiots overseas who lump all Americans in the same boat. Yes we're all war mongering baby killing idiots who dropped out of school. Just like every black person that listens to a hiphop label. *sarcasm*

I'm sure that if you skimmed past the surface even the most hardcore, it grates on my nerves anti rap person out there could find a group the liked listening too. It's just that most people never try.

[-=Anarchy=-]

The Boondocks rock.

[The Dragon]

Dude, I listen to a lot of hip hop. Looking through my Ipod as we speak, I see Aesop Rock, Beastie Boys, Cypress Hill, De La Soul, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Eminem (his funny songs mostly), Gnarls Barkley, Gorillaz, Gym Class Heroes, Jurassic 5, Matisyahu, Mos Def, Talib Kwali, and Tupac (his deeper songs, not the gangster ones) on a quick rotation through my library. I understand your point exactly. However, I am not criticizing hip hop music as a whole. I'm not one of those people who writes it all off as people talking over repeating beats. I am criticizing mainstream hip hop culture. I am complaining about the idiocy that popular rappers you see on MTV and hear on Kiss FM ala 50 Cent spew out of their mouths and because of help create more idiots. I am agitated by the kids who walk through my neighborhood wearing their jerseys and caps from teams they don't even follow with jeweld grills who give dirty looks to everybody who walsk by. These same people are the ones I see starting fights down on the basketball courts at the park and spray painting shit on the local rec center walls. It is that sort of "hip-hop" behavior that drives me crazy, not the genre of music its creators make music in.

[BuLLeT TiMe]

*turns mp3 player back to amusing Bollywood music*

Fuck rap.

Except for about 95% of the artists The Dragon mentioned. I like them.

PS: How did that rediculous "ice/platinum grill" become popular? It's not even real dental work. They're fucking LEE'S PRESS-ON TEETH. Cripes...I don't know whether to laugh at the dropouts with that shit in their mouths or vomit. Those glasses with Groucho Marx noses and staches are less embarassing, IMO.

[Froberg]

Well, unfortunately I have never been in America, so I have never witnessed this "culture" first hand.

What I see of black culture comes from CNN - and various television shows, and the moron culture is shining through. Even with "white rappers" - insecure whities who seem to think they can pull off being black

I have even stopped watching MTV, because I couldn't stand the sheer amount of idiocy that shone through, it was simply too much.

I won't even limit it to modern day popular rappers, but will extend it to various "nu-metal" popgroups - basicly doing the same thing, every one of them typecast and styled to fit a profile on the teen hit.

My God it's all so fucking tedious.

I do have a few hiphop/rap tracks in my collection, namely some beastie boys, run dmc, cypress hill etc. - I'm not oblivious to the fact that there are decent tracks out there, they're just few and very far between - 'sides I'm a classical rocker, and I don't think I have to apologize for that fact.
Everyone has different tastes, but when a culture starts putting down women, incites violence and poor behaviour, that just seems so f'in wrong, doesn't it? It's what being poored out of television sets that's "infecting" the weaker youths to start being "gangsta's" - honestly.
I see it in Denmark as well, where your american moron rappers are infecting some of our rappers to sing about the same fucking shit. And it's annoying as hell.
Even in school, some guys started calling the women "ho's" or "sluts" - I had to put my foot down and tell them that I wouldn't tolerate that kind of f'in language, and an asskicking would ensue if they were to continue in such poor behaviour.

I cannot stress enough, how much this culture is destroying youth, I think, on a global scale.

It's all the wrong values made to look cool by the money people - to get the average Joe to become a criminal, drop out of school - and be too stupid to realize when he's being f'ed by the goverment and shipped off to war.

Or maybe not.

[Froberg]

Stop making me kill the damn thread!

[grov]

Most rap nowadays, is pathetic, totally agree. God dam 50 Cent, why did those 3 bullets have to just injure him, whyyyyy?

Rap from the 90's was awesome though, plenty of decent artists. Hio-hop is no worse, than the pathetic manufactured pop groups out today that sound the same, or the lame rock bands, who like to shout abot killing there kids.

[Conner Macleod]

Originally posted by Kimarhi Ronso:
My original point was along the lines of that yes there are stupidass lyrics out there, and plenty of stupidass raps with stupidass verses. But I don't understand why the white community especially gets all bent out of shape about rap or even it's subject matter. When people respond to how great the guy is for translating some very obvious lyrics, it comes off sounding more to me like somehow you people are afraid of black culture, and are only even replying to this thread too take a shot at black culture. "OMG, those black people totally punked me when I was little. FUCK YOU DARKIES!"

Honestly it's not that difficult to see why many people object to the overtly violent messages and debasing of women that's being disseminated to impressionable youths. It's not just white folks either that complain about these intolerant aspects of hip hop culture. Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Maya Angelou and other influential and respected individuals refuse to accept the despicable antics of most of these artists who are guilty of glorifying a pimping lifestyle. Heck, even Dave Chapelle points out the idiocy of these rappers on his Comedy Central show, poking fun at the likes of Lil' Jon, R. Kelly and others. When you have famous entertainers who have broken so much ground in terms of broadcasting the message of equality and elevating people's awareness of social injustices who then turn around and lambast other influential people such as rappers that spread messages that are the very anti-thesis of years of spreading messages of peace and hope, then it should give one pause to contemplate the actions and intent behind these modern day debauchers.

The fact that you think that this is somehow about taking a metaphorical punch in the stomach of the black community shows that you've completely missed the point. Ironically when you say that this is an offense to all of the black community, you're the one doing the stereotyping, which could be construed by some as slightly racist. This obviously isn't about the whole black commuity, it's about one less than admirable portion of it, one that exists solely to degrade women and reinforce negative stereotypes that many people already have of rappers and the hip hop community. To not point out the ludicrousness of this form of entertainment would be neglectful and irresponsible. People that see the negative impact that much of rap has on today's youth have a duty to let the kids and adolescents know that the messages glorified in rap songs are not something to aspire to, let alone admire.

If I was to post kkk country music about white people "noosing ♥♥♥♥♥♥s around their necks," I too could translate some very obvious social insecurities and social stigma's from it's lyrics. Of course you don't hear that shit on the radio but it does exist.

I've never heard of this, and if it does exist, surely it must be limited to neo-Nazis, KKK and similar ilk. Hence, your point is moot, because it is not mainstream by any means, nor is it listened to by millions of young impressionable minds, so its impact if any is close to nill.

Yes it seems the majority of black community are concerned with the material aspect of life, but it also seems that white people are overly concerned about what black people want to do, and that they should somehow follow the example of culture laid out by white america, or white people in general. And just because something seems that way doesn't mean it is. Your likely to always remember the ten or twelve cars you see driving down the street with their nonsensical rap blaring, but your never ever going to remember the other 200 that aren't doing anything but driving.

This sounds racist to me and if I was black, I'd be offended. I don't for a second think that the majority of the black community is obsessed with materialistic values, on the contrary, but there is a definite sub-culture following of the debauchery that's promoted by the mainstream hip hop community, and that's many people have a problem with, and in this thread as well. Basically you're extrapolating the discrepancy people have with the negative aspects of modern day rap to be all encompassing, which is way over the top. This has nothing to do with white culture at all, it's simply about alerting the youngsters to the downfalls and destructive consequences of being over-exposed to songs that worship violence and degrade women, warping the new generations of kids to follow false idols and carry the wrong values that will ultimately corrupt in some fashion or another.

I'll tell you why rap doesn't bother me at all. Because it's not scary. Sex isn't scary. People walking around with wifebeaters and dewrags are not scary, black people are not scary. If you want to take away the power that those, "dirty rotten rap lyrics," have over white people, DON'T LET THEM BOTHER YOU. (and I'm not talking about some obvious asshole who has got his system blaring at 1:00 in the morning)

Again, this isn't about black people, it's about the demeaning side of rap and hip hop that's only purpose is to make a living off of appealing to the lowest common denominator, primal instincts and debauchery, and reinforce those ideas 'til the cows come home. Sex itself in the music isn't the problem, it's the manner in which it's presented. There's nothing really wrong with owning a nice car or a pair of sunglasses, but actually worshipping it to the point where that's all that matters, that's warping kids' values in a very negative way. Perhaps the biggest issue is the disrespect of women whom are objectified and discarded as mere playthings, and that's not something that anyone wants their kids to grow up to believe in. Lastly, this isn't about taking away any power that these lyrics have over me, far from it, it's about being responsible enough to recognize that this extremely popular form of entertainment is having a severely negative impact on today's youth, the world over. Honestly, I don't spend hardly any time pondering the lyrics of rappers or what effect it has on me, but I do care about what effect it has on the generations that come after me.

As bad as lyrics in songs can get, I've thought worse in my head and done worse in real life. And as such I cannot villify rap music for "singing" about what many of us have thought or done in real life.

There's a big difference between thinking about and actually acting out one's fantasies. Many of the rappers actually live the gangsta lifestyle and either get shot or shoot at rival rap gangstas, among other nefarious activities. Look at Tupac, Biggie Smalls, the dude from Eminem's rap group D-12 who was recently murdered, the scuffles between 50 Cent and rival NJ rappers, DMX and his frequent trouble with drugs and the cops, the list goes on. Doing drugs, senseless and meaningless sex, popping a cap in someone's ass, there's still way too much of that in rap, and its impact is now bigger than ever before and THAT'S why people have a problem with it, because they see how it impacts today's youth. Recent national studies have shown that there's a huge increase in adolescent sex that's directly linked to the type of music they listen to, this was on CNN a few weeks ago. Of course, rap/hip hop cannot take all the blame for this troubling behavior, but to deny its impact and influence is to live in denial, and its impact is major.

I guess my original point is this. Who the fuck cares? Why should somebody translating rap lyrics warrant ANYONE'S time at all? It's as pointless as listining to wammy rap in the first place.

Because it is a joke and it's funny, although humor is subjective and obviously not everyone agrees on what qualifies as such. It seems you've mistaken the spirit of this thread and you've approached this too seriously. Like The Dragon points out, there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there, but it's typically not in the mainstream, and it's not what is affecting today's youth, that's essentially the problem. The radio stations, record stores and MTV don't promote the positive messages that the rap industry promotes, they focus on what sells, and what's selling is corrupting for kids and teenagers.

[BuLLeT TiMe]

*walks in and clears throat*

I'm black, and I thought the original post was hilarious.

Good day.

PS: Conner won.

[Froberg]

Did I get second place?

[Kimarhi Ronso]

This is where I don't agree. Rap might make it more explicit that they want women for sex and sex alone, but they are NOT the only ones to do so. Every single aspect of today's culture is geared toward materialism, and it's not just found in rap. If people don't see how obvious it is when your constantly bombarded by big breast and short skirts on TV, then there IS no hope for humanity.

To me there isn't a difference between girls in rap videos, and girls who work in hooters. It's the same freaking thing. Big breasted girl giving you food. Big breasted girl jumping around in a rap video. Until women stop debasing themselves, it isn't going to change. When people argue about women being sold as sex objects in rap, it comes off a little lame that they somehow ignore 85% of the other media out there that does the exact same frickin thing. If your going to go after women sold as sex objects, just don't single out rap. Since every mega corporation from Murder Inc to Walmart has done the same thing.

As for overly violent messages..................how can anybody that says this be serious. How can movies get a free pass in this regard? If you want to talk about a medium where violence is glorified, look at cinema. Forget rap, rap is relatively new. Cinema has been killing people for 50 more years than rap has, and it's not always in the cause of the just.

I've never heard of this, and if it does exist, surely it must be limited to neo-Nazis, KKK and similar ilk. Hence, your point is moot, because it is not mainstream by any means, nor is it listened to by millions of young impressionable minds, so its impact if any is close to nill.

WRONG. It's not limited to neonazi's and KKK. It's not even limited to the south and it might be even more impressionable to young white kids than rap is to young black kids. I've known coworkers and friends that have brand name cd's with racist messages on them. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't exist.

You probably haven't ever heard of DeadPrez either have you? And if you have, don't you think it's a little ignorant to think that rappers can produce overly racist messages and whites can't? I suppose I haven't heard Johnny Rebel playing at my work, or out in the country either? I work with rednecks. Most rednecks don't like blacks. That stuff is more widespread than you think.

This sounds racist to me and if I was black, I'd be offended. I don't for a second think that the majority of the black community is obsessed with materialistic values, on the contrary, but there is a definite sub-culture following of the debauchery that's promoted by the mainstream hip hop community, and that's many people have a problem with, and in this thread as well. Basically you're extrapolating the discrepancy people have with the negative aspects of modern day rap to be all encompassing, which is way over the top. This has nothing to do with white culture at all, it's simply about alerting the youngsters to the downfalls and destructive consequences of being over-exposed to songs that worship violence and degrade women, warping the new generations of kids to follow false idols and carry the wrong values that will ultimately corrupt in some fashion or another.

If your offended it's because you don't have good reading comprehension skills. Or take into account past references of when we've conversed.

Again, it's odd that people give rap a hard time and cinema a free pass, especially when movies like Scarface help define the rap genre. Hhhmmmmm. What an oddity. And it's different for these thoughts and actions to be portrayed in the MEDIA, and then actually being done in real life. There are true travesty's in this world that deserve attention, and most don't include the hiphop culture.

Your whole thing about following false idols is corny as hell. Like following Gene Simmons of Kiss and his values were somehow better. Or any one of the drug seduced lead singers in a band. Hey, there would definately be less violence, but only a few people nowadays have a problem with the references of baby making.

Again, this isn't about black people, it's about the demeaning side of rap and hip hop that's only purpose is to make a living off of appealing to the lowest common denominator, primal instincts and debauchery, and reinforce those ideas 'til the cows come home. Sex itself in the music isn't the problem, it's the manner in which it's presented. There's nothing really wrong with owning a nice car or a pair of sunglasses, but actually worshipping it to the point where that's all that matters, that's warping kids' values in a very negative way. Perhaps the biggest issue is the disrespect of women whom are objectified and discarded as mere playthings, and that's not something that anyone wants their kids to grow up to believe in. Lastly, this isn't about taking away any power that these lyrics have over me, far from it, it's about being responsible enough to recognize that this extremely popular form of entertainment is having a severely negative impact on today's youth, the world over. Honestly, I don't spend hardly any time pondering the lyrics of rappers or what effect it has on me, but I do care about what effect it has on the generations that come after me.

This argument again? Rap is hardly the only genre that advertises women as playthings or glorifies violence. I remember Gabe bringing up this point before, but you people are so one sided in your arguments you didn't consider it then and probably won't consider it now.

"BUT YOU CAN TELL MOVIES ARE FAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE CELLULOID!!!111!"

"GAMES DON'T INFLUENCE KIDS BECAUSE YOU CONTROL THEM!"

"RAP IS CORRUPTING OUR YOUNG CHILDREN!"



Rap is going to have the same influence that Rock and Roll had on it's followers, that metal and alternative had on theirs. People will be enamored in the lifestyle until they are old enough to realize that they are idiots and then stop. Those that don't will continue to be idiots and likely die. And good riddance. I have no sympathy for anybody consumed by any one of those lifestyles. If they get to the point where they are 30 years old, and don't change, then fuck em. They probably aren't going to be worth saving.

There's a big difference between thinking about and actually acting out one's fantasies. Many of the rappers actually live the gangsta lifestyle and either get shot or shoot at rival rap gangstas, among other nefarious activities. Look at Tupac, Biggie Smalls, the dude from Eminem's rap group D-12 who was recently murdered, the scuffles between 50 Cent and rival NJ rappers, DMX and his frequent trouble with drugs and the cops, the list goes on. Doing drugs, senseless and meaningless sex, popping a cap in someone's ass, there's still way too much of that in rap, and its impact is now bigger than ever before and THAT'S why people have a problem with it, because they see how it impacts today's youth. Recent national studies have shown that there's a huge increase in adolescent sex that's directly linked to the type of music they listen to, this was on CNN a few weeks ago. Of course, rap/hip hop cannot take all the blame for this troubling behavior, but to deny its impact and influence is to live in denial, and its impact is major.

You named about eight instances in 10 years. Good job. Again, hardly the first group of people to do this. When two people get mad at each other they will fight. If you put Johnny Rebel in a room with a rapper, do you honestly think they'll get along? Aside from that, that's how you get recongnition in the rap genre is starting stuff with some other guy. If your a newcomer and you want to get instant media recognition, you call out a big name and start a beef. Some beefs are fake, some are real. Just like some rappers media persona's are totally different than their at home ones.

There is going to be a higher instance of infighting in rap because the majority of rappers start off poor and go from there. What is associated with poor people again? Violence and crime. Just because you drop a hot album one day doesn't automatically make you a grown up when you get paid.

Teen pregnancy plus rap................do I see a baby boom anywhere? No. Your not taking into acount the 3.5 million people added to places like the US. every year. The number might be higher, but there are more people alive today than there was ten years ago. When you have a higher population, the percentages of young people having babies is going to go up. It's just the way it is. Just like there will be a percentage increase in homosexuals in the population, a higher minority percentage, higher murder, suicide, crime %

Because it is a joke and it's funny, although humor is subjective and obviously not everyone agrees on what qualifies as such. It seems you've mistaken the spirit of this thread and you've approached this too seriously. Like The Dragon points out, there's plenty of good rap and hip hop out there, but it's typically not in the mainstream, and it's not what is affecting today's youth, that's essentially the problem. The radio stations, record stores and MTV don't promote the positive messages that the rap industry promotes, they focus on what sells, and what's selling is corrupting for kids and teenagers.

Humor is subjective. The original post is just some guy stating the obvious, not a humorous surprise.

What's selling on MTV and BET is hardly different than any other station on any other channel.

[Froberg]

Hmm..

In Denmark our population increases, while those negative percentages decline.

Odd that.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

Give it five years. Or wait until your population approaches the size of the us. Your almost 290 million behind now. It's easier to manage smaller pops than larger ones.

[Froberg]

Heh, you can't even manage individual states.

[Kimarhi Ronso]

Your right. I have nothing to do with that.

Look, I'm not saying that rap doesn't influence people. I just don't consider it any more or less influential than the materialistic values portrayed on almost every single station in the U.S.

Once the U.S. population realizes that having material things is nice, but doesn't define life, or even who you are as a person, some of these problems will start correcting itself.

I do not believe rap is any closer to toppling the united states into chaos than Rock, Metal, Alternative, etc were. It's strange that nobody has a problem with country, when it insinuates just as much as any other genre (songs that frequently have your with another man/woman but your really mine themes), but is so onesided in it's viewpoints it could almost be constrewed as propaganda (the US is the best place to live, fuck everybody else). While rap has become mostly club music, country is preaching the same thing over and over again with hardly anybody noticing. I don't even think patriotism is wrong, I think valuing patriotism over reasoning IS wrong. But that's a whole nother tangent.

*shrugs*

There are problems everywhere, once you fixate on one, your only going to see THAT problem.

[The Dragon]

Originally posted by Kimarhi Ronso
This is where I don't agree. Rap might make it more explicit that they want women for sex and sex alone, but they are NOT the only ones to do so. Every single aspect of today's culture is geared toward materialism, and it's not just found in rap. If people don't see how obvious it is when your constantly bombarded by big breast and short skirts on TV, then there IS no hope for humanity.

Yeah, sex sells, and marketers use it all the time. But having an attractive woman in a slinky outfit try to sell you a cell phone is hardly as demeaning as Biggy going into detail about how he orgasms in a "ho's" eye.

To me there isn't a difference between girls in rap videos, and girls who work in hooters. It's the same freaking thing. Big breasted girl giving you food. Big breasted girl jumping around in a rap video. Until women stop debasing themselves, it isn't going to change. When people argue about women being sold as sex objects in rap, it comes off a little lame that they somehow ignore 85% of the other media out there that does the exact same frickin thing. If your going to go after women sold as sex objects, just don't single out rap. Since every mega corporation from Murder Inc to Walmart has done the same thing.

Again, I agree that sex is used to market many things. But rap brings it to a new vulgar extreme. And unlike Wal-Mart, young people actually listen to what Murder. Inc. has to say.

As for overly violent messages..................how can anybody that says this be serious. How can movies get a free pass in this regard? If you want to talk about a medium where violence is glorified, look at cinema. Forget rap, rap is relatively new. Cinema has been killing people for 50 more years than rap has, and it's not always in the cause of the just.

I think there is a big difference between Chuck Norris killing terrorists and rappers glorifying gang violence.

WRONG. It's not limited to neonazi's and KKK. It's not even limited to the south and it might be even more impressionable to young white kids than rap is to young black kids. I've known coworkers and friends that have brand name cd's with racist messages on them. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't exist.

One, I guarantee that stuff is mostly found in rural areas. I have grown up and lived in a medium sized city my entire life and have never even heard of it or any white supremacist music. Maybe it is more popular than I know. But even if it were ten times as big as I expect it to be, it still would not come close to rap. Put on any top 40 station. Rap makes up most of the playlist now-a-days.

You probably haven't ever heard of DeadPrez either have you? And if you have, don't you think it's a little ignorant to think that rappers can produce overly racist messages and whites can't? I suppose I haven't heard Johnny Rebel playing at my work, or out in the country either? I work with rednecks. Most rednecks don't like blacks. That stuff is more widespread than you think.

Again, I am not surprised to hear rednecks listen to this stuff. But most people in urban or suburban area, i.e. most of America, would probably not be exposed to it. If they were, you'd most definitely hear more about it. News channels would gobble that shit up. Regardless, even if there is music out there with worse messages than mainstream rap's messages, it has no where near the audience and therefore is not as big a threat.

Again, it's odd that people give rap a hard time and cinema a free pass, especially when movies like Scarface help define the rap genre. Hhhmmmmm. What an oddity. And it's different for these thoughts and actions to be portrayed in the MEDIA, and then actually being done in real life. There are true travesty's in this world that deserve attention, and most don't include the hiphop culture.

Scarface is arguably the most frequently misinterpreted movie ever. Rappers love the story because of the whole rags to riches theme. However, they never seem to remember than in the end Tony is shot in the back with a shotgun. He dies. His life leads him to his demise.

Back on track, movies do glorify violence in a negative way, and it really does show how messed up our morals are anymore. But most movies that glorify violence do not glorify realilistic violence. They do not glorify the type of violence you see on an every day basis. Seeing Arnold blasting Commies does not lead to kids joining gangs. Rap music might. Sitting here now, I cannot think of any movie that really portrays urban violence in a positive light. Can you name any?

Your whole thing about following false idols is corny as hell. Like following Gene Simmons of Kiss and his values were somehow better. Or any one of the drug seduced lead singers in a band. Hey, there would definately be less violence, but only a few people nowadays have a problem with the references of baby making.

Most musicians tend to make poor idols. I don't think Conner ever suggested following anyone like him.

[/b]Rap is going to have the same influence that Rock and Roll had on it's followers, that metal and alternative had on theirs. People will be enamored in the lifestyle until they are old enough to realize that they are idiots and then stop. Those that don't will continue to be idiots and likely die. And good riddance. I have no sympathy for anybody consumed by any one of those lifestyles. If they get to the point where they are 30 years old, and don't change, then fuck em. They probably aren't going to be worth saving.[/b]

Rap tends to target urban youths. These are the type of people who in their desperate situation could resort to these things. How many suburban kids ever follow through with the stuff described in the death metal and shit they listen to? Not many. Compare the amount of Columbine cases with the amount of people killed in gang violence and you will see a mighty big discrepency.

You named about eight instances in 10 years. Good job. Again, hardly the first group of people to do this. When two people get mad at each other they will fight. If you put Johnny Rebel in a room with a rapper, do you honestly think they'll get along? Aside from that, that's how you get recongnition in the rap genre is starting stuff with some other guy. If your a newcomer and you want to get instant media recognition, you call out a big name and start a beef. Some beefs are fake, some are real. Just like some rappers media persona's are totally different than their at home ones.

So because the fighting is used to market their albums it makes it alright?

There is going to be a higher instance of infighting in rap because the majority of rappers start off poor and go from there. What is associated with poor people again? Violence and crime. Just because you drop a hot album one day doesn't automatically make you a grown up when you get paid.

I think the whole point of the argument is that rap may be the inspiration for this violence and crime. So many of these people used to be involved with gans and drug dealing, and it gives kids bad ideas on how to get out of the hood.

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Yeah, sex sells, and marketers use it all the time. But having an attractive woman in a slinky outfit try to sell you a cell phone is hardly as demeaning as Biggy going into detail about how he orgasms in a "ho's" eye.

Those songs are hardly chart toppers because of their content. Yes they exist, but you WON'T see them on mtv or BET because of their subject matter.

Again, I agree that sex is used to market many things. But rap brings it to a new vulgar extreme. And unlike Wal-Mart, young people actually listen to what Murder. Inc. has to say.

A double standard here. Walmart doesn't exactly advertise these cd's but they do support them. Otherwise they wouldn't sell them. IMO, places like amazon, borders, etc are as guilty as murder inc. Major rap labels might be the frontrunners in this regard, but they HAVE a support system that can't go unfaulted.

I think there is a big difference between Chuck Norris killing terrorists and rappers glorifying gang violence.

Violence is violence. And your idea only works if you automatically ignore media out there in film that features/supports gang violence in the first place.

One, I guarantee that stuff is mostly found in rural areas. I have grown up and lived in a medium sized city my entire life and have never even heard of it or any white supremacist music. Maybe it is more popular than I know. But even if it were ten times as big as I expect it to be, it still would not come close to rap. Put on any top 40 station. Rap makes up most of the playlist now-a-days.

It's found everywhere. The KKK was the fastest growing gang in the united states just a few years ago, it's everywhere, depends on how hard you look. It's mostly underground right now because major labels worry about how they will be perceived if they release white supremacist music. Lexington, Louisville, Knoxville, Nashville have all had hate related crimes in their cities where the people were reported as having material like this. There was a news report not so long ago that places like Utah and even California have similar problems.

Again, I am not surprised to hear rednecks listen to this stuff. But most people in urban or suburban area, i.e. most of America, would probably not be exposed to it. If they were, you'd most definitely hear more about it. News channels would gobble that shit up. Regardless, even if there is music out there with worse messages than mainstream rap's messages, it has no where near the audience and therefore is not as big a threat.

News channels do gobble that shit up. The problem is when it's found it's in generally smaller populations of people. The problem probably has more to do with distribution than anything else. It's almost unbelivable how much race is still an issue in the south. Let's fire Tubby because he's black and can't coach white players, Patrick Sparks is such a better ball player than Rajon Rondo, Pitino can't coach the monkeys on his team, thats why Louisville sucks this year. Lets get rid of Mississippi State's coach because he won't play the white players and lead his team to victory.

I've heard this all over various southern demographs (admittingly most in Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi and Georgia) but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't race related media somewhere in the majority of those peoples house. Look, I'm probably one of the most nonracist people out there because I think every race is equally shitty for many different reasons, and if I've stumbled along this media on service calls and even heard it at my work, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not more places than one.

Scarface is arguably the most frequently misinterpreted movie ever. Rappers love the story because of the whole rags to riches theme. However, they never seem to remember than in the end Tony is shot in the back with a shotgun. He dies. His life leads him to his demise.

I don't agree. Just on the scarface dvd alone the majority of rappers interviewed understand the point of the film. The majority of rappers watch the movie for the rags to riches theme yes, because they can relate to how Montana came up. But you hardly see rappers being busted for major crimes. Sure there are a few numbskulls out there, but there are a few in every division of music.

Back on track, movies do glorify violence in a negative way, and it really does show how messed up our morals are anymore. But most movies that glorify violence do not glorify realilistic violence. They do not glorify the type of violence you see on an every day basis. Seeing Arnold blasting Commies does not lead to kids joining gangs. Rap music might. Sitting here now, I cannot think of any movie that really portrays urban violence in a positive light. Can you name any?

Violence shouldn't be shown in a positive light period. It doesn't matter if it's realistic or not. Movies are as guilty of realistic violence as opposed to Killbillishesque violence anyways. So you still can't hardly fault one over the other. Are words somehow more influential by themselves now than movies using light, sound, action and dialogue to carry out scenes? Yes rap has violent lyrics, but those songs are hardly aired on radio (there are a few exceptions) and you have to pretty much by the explicit rated cd to get ahold of one.

Most musicians tend to make poor idols. I don't think Conner ever suggested following anyone like him

He didn't. He suggested false idols period. As if he considers rappers as falling under the pretense of being such more than other musicians.

Rap tends to target urban youths. These are the type of people who in their desperate situation could resort to these things. How many suburban kids ever follow through with the stuff described in the death metal and shit they listen to? Not many. Compare the amount of Columbine cases with the amount of people killed in gang violence and you will see a mighty big discrepency.

Violence in media tend to target youth. Sex in media tend to target youths. Rap is mainly the music of the minority poor. Thus you can associate gang violence with rap music, but I don't think rap is hardly guilty of making the poor more violent and more criminally organized. If anything, it gave an identity to criminal actions already taking place.

Go back thousands of years and the majority of poor are the comitters of petty crimes. They didn't listen to rap back then did they? There were gangs before the eighties you know.

So because the fighting is used to market their albums it makes it alright?

Nobody said that. I'm saying that some of the beefs you hear in the media ARE publicity stunts. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think the whole point of the argument is that rap may be the inspiration for this violence and crime. So many of these people used to be involved with gans and drug dealing, and it gives kids bad ideas on how to get out of the hood.

Which I've already said. I just don't think it's any more or less dangerous than any other form of entertainment out there. It's no more violent than cinema is, it explicitly states sexual acts, but so does porn.

Five years from now, when the spanish population is huge in the US, people will start blaming reggaeton and it's like to gang violence and criminal activitiy. Now what I want you to ask yourself five years from now, is it the REAL problem? Or is it more of a voice of a people trapped in a rough situation?